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Prince Hyd. Pump PTO help

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Jerry Rock

04-10-2004 11:08:51




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Hey I was wondering if you would be able to help me on this issue I have. I just recently bought a Farmall M tractor with hyd. loader. I am looking to have a mower or an post hole digger on my three point. However, I have a Prince hyd pump attached to the PTO shaft behind my tractor. I noticed that the shaft does go into the pump and that is how I run my loader and 3 points up and down. But the problem I have is that the PTO shaft goes into the pump but does not protrude out, thus, leaving me with no PTO shaft to hook up to a mower or auger. Is there a way I can run 3 point accessories without taking off the pump? Is there a extender or bar that can come out from the pump? Reason why I ask is I also noticed that the pumps has the "grooves" that match my PTO shaft. And I was wondering if there is a extension I can continue out with. If not, how hard is it to take off the pump? And would I have to completely take it off, or just off the PTO shaft? I looked that the pump and only got these off it: Prince
C-387 As you can probably guess, this is my first tractor and wanted to be able to run a mower and/or post hole digger from my 3 points, without having to much trouble. Please let me know. If you can not help me would you be able to direct me to someone who would. Thanks again and look forward to hearing from you.

Jerry Rock

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Dan Kelley

04-12-2004 13:52:51




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 Re: Prince Hyd. Pump PTO help in reply to Jerry Rock, 04-10-2004 11:08:51  
Awesome question. I have the same problem, and have been looking into it for some time. I'm a little short of $$ right now, so the project is on hold, but...

My M is from 1951, and is late enough that the bolt patterns are compatible with the Super-M hydraulic pump. Assuming you are not as lucky, there are at least three ways to handle this.

One way is to drill and tap the front plates of your engine to match the Super-M hydraulic pump. One bolt will have to be cut flush with the housing (i.e. plugged), and then drilled in the right place. I always had the heebie-jeebies about this idea.

Another way is to replace the front timing cover stuff with Super-M parts. This will give you the right mounting setup. About $600.

The third way is to prowl about, looking for an M&W hydraulic pump. M&W designed a hydraulic pump precisely for this problem. It fits between the distributor and the front plates, and has the standard M bolt patterns. Good luck getting parts, and expect to pay good money. Last quote I had on this was $600, but that was from a rip-off artist. Keep checking E-bay.

Either way you go, be cautious about your timing gears. You might want to go ahead and upgrade to the Super-M timing gears. The M gears were not designed for the load of a hydraulic pump. Some people have said that this is not a problem; others have told me horror stories about breaking the front of their engine.

There is another conversion that uses a chain off the crank nose to drive the hydraulic pump. I thought of rigging a pump off the belt pulley drive (not live hydraulics, though). So there are several do-it-yourself-engineered solutions.

Then, of course, you will need to replumb all the hydraulic lines. Oy!

I like the PTO extension idea. It sounds like a nice quick solution to me. Low $$

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scruffy

04-10-2004 19:13:28




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 Re: Prince Hyd. Pump PTO help in reply to Jerry Rock, 04-10-2004 11:08:51  
Jerry...It is possible to install a hyraulic pump on the distributer housing. This will give you live hydralics and a free pto shaft.It is nice to have a loader that will rise when your clutch is in. You would be required to do a bunch of plumbing though...these pumps go on e-bay for $150 and up to about $300. This is the set up that the super M's and H's have.



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Wardner

04-10-2004 15:36:52




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 Re: Prince Hyd. Pump PTO help in reply to Jerry Rock, 04-10-2004 11:08:51  
You can get a 1.375" x 6 spline extension for your pump. The Prince pumps are made for this type of application as they have heavy duty roller bearings.

Hub City makes the extensions and probably sells them to Prince. A bearing house or farm tractor dealer can get the extensions.

Hub City Part numbers are

0332-00356 9" long
0332-00384 10" long

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