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David

04-20-2004 22:09:03




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I'm looking to buy a 400. I noticed quite a few of these without TA's. I have actually found one close to my house. Seems like a good tractor with the exception of the fact that the TA has been removed.

Once whatever has been done to by-pass the TA, can they be made operational again?

Are TA's unreliable or just expensive when they finally do break?




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MEK

04-21-2004 06:44:53




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 Re: TA in reply to David, 04-20-2004 22:09:03  
The TA on a Super MTA was optional. I think it was the same way on the 400. It's entirely possible that there never was a TA on the tractor in the first place, so there was nothing to bypass.

What you need to determine is if the TA lever and linkage were simply removed, or if there is even a TA in the tractor.



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Allan

04-21-2004 02:48:01




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 Re: TA in reply to David, 04-20-2004 22:09:03  
Dave,

I'm sure that whatever was disabled can be reinstated and repaired to original form.

I'm gonna be going thru the same problem as you on a tractor I'm buying, so maybe we'll both get an education on this issue.

Dunno, I had never heard of a bad T/A until I got into this 'old tractor hobby' and started dealing with these 'high-hour' units. T/A's always seemed to work great for me on all the IH tractors I ever owned.

At any rate, I can't imagine farming without a T/A; it's a very handy feature.

Allan

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David

04-21-2004 17:34:37




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 Re: Re: TA in reply to Allan, 04-21-2004 02:48:01  
I will have to agree with you. The old tractors that I am messing with are a lot older than they were when I was growing up.

My dad used to Farm with a JD 720 back in the 60's. He really can't tell you much about working on them though. When he had it, it was almost a new tractor. It just ran.

We now have to concern ourselves with repairs that folks didn't used to have to worry about. I'm new to the "hobby". When I used to use these old tractors in the late 70's they were just old tractors.

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farmall kid in pa

04-21-2004 10:35:54




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 Re: Re: TA in reply to Allan, 04-21-2004 02:48:01  
to the person who said that the TA on a MTA or superMTA was optional that is entirely wrong. the idea of the MTA was that it was for a farmer who wanted an M or super M with a TA. if u wanted a super MTA or an MTAwithout a TA u bought the M or super M.

trust me i may only be 17 but my father and grandfather sold IH tractors and all MTA's and super MTA's came with the torque in them. granted many people did remove them after a week or 2 if they didn't use them or in the west they were removed at the dealership because the TA was never used.

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Wrong

04-21-2004 12:30:16




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 Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to farmall kid in pa, 04-21-2004 10:35:54  
Sorry Farmall Kid, but you don't have your facts quite straight. The Super MTA was the successor to the Super M, which succeeded the M. The Super MTA was available without the TA from the factory. No such thing as an MTA, they were all Super's.



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randy hall

04-21-2004 11:10:45




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 Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to farmall kid in pa, 04-21-2004 10:35:54  
sorry farmall kid but super mta's could be bought new without the ta.



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farmall kid in pa

04-21-2004 10:33:39




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 Re: Re: TA in reply to Allan, 04-21-2004 02:48:01  
to the person who said that the TA on a MTA or superMTA that is entirely wrong. the idea of the MTA was that it was for a farmer who wanted an M or super M with a TA. if u wanted a super MTA or an MTAwithout a TA u bought the M or super M.

trust me i may only be 17 but my father and grandfather sold IH tractors and all MTA's and super MTA's came with the torque in them. granted many people did remove them after a week or 2 if they didn't use them or in the west they were removed at the dealership because the TA was never used.

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farmall kid in pa

04-21-2004 16:40:23




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 Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to farmall kid in pa, 04-21-2004 10:33:39  
dear WRONG and RANDY HALL what book tells you u could get a superMTA without a torque. u can . A SuperMTA with no torque in it is simple a case where it went bad and the owner was a cheap a$$ and wouldn't spend the money to put a new torque back in the tractor. also i have 3 SuperMTA's in my shop and i have looked in my shop manual and under accesories it does not show the TA so therefore it was not an option so get YOUR facts straight. believe me i am correct i have asked about 1and a half dozen(18 or so) people all farmers and 7 of them either ex IH dealers during that tractors production years or 3 of which wrench on tractors mostly early 80's clear back to old f series tractors and all said the torque WAS NOT an option on the SuperMTA but WAS optional on the 400 and up.


P.s. LET ME GUESS U ALSO WILL ARGUE THAT IH ALSO HAD PRODUCTION SERIES H TA'S. I WILL SAY THERE WAS AN H TA BUT IT WAS ONLY EXPERIMENTAL.

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randy hall

04-21-2004 20:49:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to farmall kid in pa, 04-21-2004 16:40:23  
to farmall child, i have an original price sheet for super mta's and it shows available without the ta. all you have to do is read the cover of a super mta owners manual and it says with and without ta. don't let this worry you when i was seventeen i thought that i knew everything too.



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CNKS

04-21-2004 18:37:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to farmall kid in pa, 04-21-2004 16:40:23  
The people who responded to your post have their facts straight. Although the TA was sold on most Super MTA's, it was an option. The Super MTA without the TA was shipped with an empty TA housing. The Super MTA decal on those tractors without a TA was round without the wing. As to a reference, go to your local book store and look at the last paragraph on page 111 in Guy Fay's "Farmall Letter Series Tractors"--"The tractors that were produced without the TA (which was officially a special attachment although IH packaged it for nearly all tractors produced) still had the long clutch housing and linkages." The people you talked to including the dealers, probably weren't aware that the Super MTA was available without the TA, which after all was it's main selling point along with the IPTO. This is common knowledge among those of us who have posted on this board for a while, I was not aware of it until I began reading this board several years ago. More than one person has built a Super HTA, but not IH. They consist of the front of a Super H and the rear of a 300/350. Unlike you, most early posters on this board come here looking for information, and don't try to tell those of us who have been here for years what is right and what is wrong-- I suggest you back off some.

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colekicker

04-21-2004 18:19:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to farmall kid in pa, 04-21-2004 16:40:23  
I am gonna stand behind you on this farmall kid. The SM and the SMTA were built during the same time. You bought with TA or w/o TA. 400 it was an option. I have a '54 SM. I have seen a lot of SM's and SMTA's. My dad used to own a 1468. Just hold your ground.



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K.B.

04-21-2004 18:47:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to colekicker, 04-21-2004 18:19:02  
The guys who say you could get the Super M-TA without a TA are absolutly right. The first time someone told me this, I didn't belive it either, but then I checked the Parts Manual. The real difference between a Super M and a SMTA is that the SMTA had the clutch and transmission redisgned to provide live PTO and hydraulics. So yes, even though some didn't have a TA, they still were called Super M-TA, and had Super M-TA decals, to signify the major transmission differences.

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CNKS

04-21-2004 18:44:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to colekicker, 04-21-2004 18:19:02  
There were 3-4000 Super M's built in 1954, then Super MTA production started, they were not built at the same time.



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49 Cubber!

04-21-2004 18:33:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TA in reply to colekicker, 04-21-2004 18:19:02  
Please read this!



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