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OT..insurance fraud UPDATE!

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49 Cubber!

04-26-2004 12:58:32




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Went in this morning with no intentions of doing anything about the guy in my previous post on this issue.I had decided that it really wasnt my place to turn this guy in.I did however mention the situation to a lady at the benfits office this morning,not telling her anything about who it was and how long its been going on.She told me the guys name and I didnt say either way if it was the same guy or not.She wouldnt give me any details,someone did in fact turn him a week ago.

This guy apparently reads this board and sent me the following email this morning:
(I will leave blanks in the words unappropriate for the board)

Look here you sorry sack of ____,its none of your ____ _____ business what I do or where my money comes from.I hope you do turn me in,but I dont think you have the guts to do it.Do you really think that they can take my money away,bull____!All I need id my doctor to sign my paper once a year and Im rolling it the loot!And there aint a ___ thing you or any other sorry sack of ____ can do about it.Ill keep letting (The company) pay my bills as long as I live!So you go straight to ____ you worthless piece of ____!Ill be laughing at you at the next show!

You be the judge!Do any of you still think he deserves his money?

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Paul in Mich

04-26-2004 20:55:37




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 Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE! in reply to 49 Cubber!, 04-26-2004 12:58:32  
Cubber and all, Here is my original response to your original post on this subject. I'm sure that by being 4 pages deep by now that few of you who posted opinions have read it. Please do, as I believe some of you have made some pretty rash judgements. I am not taking sides, but merely pointing out that Mental disabilities are better left to the professionals. Read below: ********************************


Cubber, The mind is a complex aspect of man and its hard for us, who go through life being able to cope with all the ups and downs, stressful and non stressful times to understand what goes through the mind of those among us who have unbalances such as depression, anxiety attacks, etc. Do not judge this man just because you percieve him to be normal, because you have no idea what is going through his mind on a day to day basis. There are many people who went through life as normal as the rest of us, who suddenly find themselves in a state of mind that they cant escape. It may not be obvious to the rest of us, but we cant see the turmoil and crisis that person is experiencing at the time. This person you know may well be able to work in his garage at his own pace and work on tractors in a very theraputic way, and be able to go to a show where there is no pressure, and be able to function. This same person may not be able to go to the grocery store and wait in line. You just dont know. When I was into restoring cars, One of the people in our Chevy club was very much like the person you worked with. He experienced depression to the point that he was suicidal, but none of us knew it, all the while he was considered one of the best 55, 56, and 57 Chevy people to exist. He was on equal to Guy Fay as far as his knowledge of his hobby. None of us knew that he had these demons, and none of his mental problems were obvious to us, yet he was forced to take an early out at G.M., becuase he could not function in that atmosphere. He still paints cars, and he still fights depression. So it well may be with the person you know. Just be glad you havent read his obituary prematurely, and pray that you wont. as to your boss explaining everything to you, If he told you any thing more than the fact that your co worker was on medical leave, he is in violation of this workers right of privacy. If he volunteered anything pertaining to the diagnosis, or even prognosis, he is leaking confidential information that could get him in trouble. Human resources has a right to this kind of info, but they do not have a right to broadcast it. They do, however have every obligation to respect and protect the privacy of their employees. Put yourself in the shoes of the other guy. Would you like it if your foreman blabbed to the rest of the crew that you had a medical condition which may be embarrassing to you? I think not, primarily because it is nobody elses business. The best thing you can do, is when you see this person at a show, say "Hi", and treat him as you would want to be treated if it were you. Im sure that if everyone else around him feels as you do, that he feels pretty isolated by now, which can exaserbate the problem. Yes, by your definition, he may be supported the same insurance that you pay into, but at the same time, you don't know but what you will have to rely on the same insurance fund sometime in your life. Do you want everyone to question your integrity also? Let it go, and be thankful for your own mental stability and sanity.

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Joe Dirt

04-26-2004 18:36:02




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 Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE! in reply to 49 Cubber!, 04-26-2004 12:58:32  
What a loser! I hope he's reading this right now.... Scum like that deserve everything they get....and they will get whats coming to them in the end



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KURT (mi)

04-26-2004 17:21:40




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 Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE! in reply to 49 Cubber!, 04-26-2004 12:58:32  
Hmmm, interesting swear words here. I would turn that guy in and call a 1-800 informant # for the insurance company and get that guy off his duff and stop sucking down free money. I know for a fact that some insurance companies will send a person (investigtor) over to the "disabled persons" house every now and then to make sure that he or she is really sick.



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Wardner

04-26-2004 14:21:45




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 Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE! in reply to 49 Cubber!, 04-26-2004 12:58:32  
I'd like to see this guy on 20/20 being chased by a camera crew. After the commercial break, the crew could film the doctor laying rubber out of the parking lot. Meanwhile, the attorney general would concede, in a previously filmed segment, that insurance fraud is a felony and they are aggressively pursueing RICO conspiracy inditements.

OTOH, the former fellow employee probably is sick. What sane individual would write a threatning letter like that? It will be another exhibit at his trial.

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49 Cubber!

04-26-2004 16:40:44




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 Re: Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE! in reply to Wardner , 04-26-2004 14:21:45  
I saved it and printed it out just in case!



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riverbend

04-26-2004 16:59:56




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 Re: Re: Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE! in reply to 49 Cubber!, 04-26-2004 16:40:44  
I wonder if the guy knows that email is traceable ? Make sure you print out the header too.



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49 Cubber!

04-26-2004 18:47:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE! in reply to riverbend, 04-26-2004 16:59:56  
I did!I tell ya,this has been bothering me evry since I found out what he was doing.I understand that some people are ligitimatly ill,or had injuries that really do prevent them from working.I myself suffer some brain imbalances,they dont prevent me from working,and I take medication for it and it works.This jerk is just riding the system and now its time to pay for it.I really dont know much about the guy,but i know enough that if you cant be around crowds,you cant go to a tractor show.SUre it may be some kind of therapy for him,just as some of us working on our old iron brings a sence of peace to us,but the way I see,why should I pay for his peace of mind!

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Paul in Mich

04-26-2004 20:25:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE! in reply to 49 Cubber!, 04-26-2004 18:47:07  
Folks, You may want to go back and read my comments on this subject on the last post. It will save me from having to type it out all over again or cut and paste. I'm not defending the guy because I believe him to be legitimately disabled, but I believe everyone should leave his diagnosis to the professionals. Its easy to spot physical handicaps, but not so easy to spot mental handicaps. Nobody short of professional analysts can determine what may cause this man to be anxious in the midst of some crowds. It may be as simple as stress at work. Unless you all are competent to make judgements, you are all grasping at straws and are in no position to make a proper diagnosis as to whether he is malingering or not. I see absolutely nothing threatening in the letter, only disgust and anger that someone would, in his perception, maliciously undermine his disability, and broadcast it all over the internet. If he is indeed disabled, then he has much to be angry about. I would swear too if that be the case and I was in his shoes. Heck, I may use stronger language than he did. Im sure the insurance company is aware of his claim, and they don't just pay out without investigating the situation from time to time. They may be making routine checks as we speak, since I'm sure that they care as much about insurance fraud as you do. If fraud is involved in this case, you can be sure that the insurance company will discover it. They don't need help from those who know nothing of the true facts of the case. One thing is certain, and that is that he also paid his premiums. I must say that I'm surprised as to the number of expert psychiatrists that frequent these YT forums, not to mention the ability to render an opinion without examining the patient.

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Wardner

04-26-2004 22:37:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..insurance fraud UPDATE in reply to Paul in Mich, 04-26-2004 20:25:25  
Paul, I am sure you will be back to read this.

It does not take an advanced degree to understand that the letter is self-incriminating. The very use of the word "loot" says it all. Loot is the ill gotten payoff from participation in a crime. I doubt if 49Cubber considers his paycheck as being loot.

There are bad doctors in all parts of the country. They rape medicare, solicit stooges for scams, and take payoffs from lawyers. These are probably the same idiots who amputate the wrong leg in the Operating Room and have lost their hospital priveledges.

In Lawrence, MA there are actually people who load up cars with five passengers and slam the cars into on comming traffic. The lawyers come in right after the ambulances and get huge settlements for the "victims". Police estimate there were 35 incidents several years ago. It wasn't until several innocent people died that the police and the insurance companies did anything. The investigators found that there were recuiters, doctors, and lawyers setting up these scams. Insurance companies really don't care. They will pay the claims and request a rate increase. Thank God I don't live in Lawrence. I probably couldn't afford their compulsory auto insurance rates.

Third party insurance settlements will frequently precipitate fraudulent behavior. It is considered a victimless crime. Let's get the insurance company because they are hoarding stacks of money in those high rises.

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riverbend

04-27-2004 06:27:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..insurance fraud UP in reply to Wardner, 04-26-2004 22:37:42  
My wife works as a psychotherapist at the hospital and routinely sees people who are 'shopping' for a disability diagnosis.

I would agree, at first, you don't know. And 49Cubber decided not to do anything. But after seeing that email, I know what I would do. Theft is theft.

In this country, it seems like our work ethic is gone and now the goal is to sue or screw somebody to get ahead.



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Paul in Mich

04-27-2004 07:29:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..insurance frau in reply to riverbend, 04-27-2004 06:27:42  
Guys, I did read the letter, and yes he may have said loot, but I have heard the term "loot" referred many times in my life time to money in general. What is most obvious from his letter, is that he is probably not the brightest star in the galaxy, and certainly not the most articulate master of the English language, and like many people not the most adept at transferring his thoughts to paper, but it still doesnt make him a fraud or a criminal. What i got from his letter is that he is angry to the core. While there are indeed Doctors who are ambulance chasers just as there are lawyers, The Insurance company has a right to insist that any claimant be examined by one of their selected professionals, if they suspect a fraudulant claim. They will also do spot check investigations. You mention "Shopping for a disability diagnosis". Pardon me, but isnt that tantamount to getting a "second opinion"? If you are in enough pain, whether physically or mentally, I should hope you or anyone else would seek second, or third opinions. I hate and abhor anyone abusing the system, and I of all people hate able bodied people bleeding the system, whether it be disability or unemployment, however, I still believe you folks are treading on some really fragile ground here. My question to all of you is, "If it were you, would you want someone trashing your integrity without knowing the facts"? I bet there are a lot of families who have been victims of someone at work going "Postal" who wishes the guy would have been diagnosed and placed on disability before he took a loaded shotgun to work. What I see here are a bunch of vultures soaring around a wounded, lame person. He may indeed be a fraud, but what if he isnt? Isn't it better left to professionals? And if the professionals agree that his claim is legitimate, then shame on those who would kick a man when he is down. I look back to my friend in the car club. None of us close to him had a clue as to what he was going through. He looked perfectly normal to us. Would a total mental breakdown be evidence enough for you naysayers? Maybe and maybe not.

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slim

04-27-2004 09:02:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..insurance in reply to Paul in Mich, 04-27-2004 07:29:26  
You know, I've read all these comments and must say that Paul in Mich is right! We shouldn't jump to any conclusions about anything where we don't have all the facts. We should always let the professionals handle the situations.

The next time you see two men one with a gun and the other with his hands up you should assume that the one with the gun is just trying to show it to the other and the other is just showing enthusiasm and saying Holy S__t what a fine gun.

Or the man in the car with the stuffed animals really is trying to get directions from the young girl.

Or the man hitting his wife is frantically trying to dislodge some food she is choking on.

Or ... You get the picture! Let's just all stick our heads in the sand and trust everyone around us while our rear ends are stuck up in the air!

Sorry, rant's over.

slim

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Paul in Mich

04-27-2004 14:35:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..insura in reply to slim, 04-27-2004 09:02:02  
Thank you Dr Slim for your expert analysis. I guess I can assume, by your definition, that when I see a guy beating his wife, and recognize it as a wife beating, that that automatically makes me qualified to begin diagnosing mental illnesses. Wait a minute, since I once wittnessed a supermarket robbery, murder, even though that happened 40 yrs ago, does that count toward my credibility? Perhaps you can connect the dots for me, as I find it difficult to find relevency in your statement. Besides, I would love to hear you rant some more. Your next to last sentence makes the most sense of anything you have stated, and has the most value, as if nothing else, that position you describe could create a good place to park a bicycle.

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slim

04-28-2004 05:28:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..in in reply to Paul in Mich, 04-27-2004 14:35:31  
Are you sure it was a robbery and murder? Are you a professional in that field?

LOL

You're fun!

later

slim



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49 Cubber!

04-27-2004 15:34:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: OT..in in reply to Paul in Mich, 04-27-2004 14:35:31  
WHOA,WHOA,WHOA fellers!Dont turn this into a feud!My intentions were never to stir up any trouble betwwen any one,just wanted aan opinion on what to do.Its not worth you guys getting in an arguement about this.CHill fellers OK/



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