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slow M hydraulics belly pump

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John

04-30-2004 19:44:20




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I have an M with the belly pump hydraulics. My problem is that when the tractor warms up it will only lift my disc about 3-4 inches, but when it is cold it will lift it right up to the stop. Does anyone know what causes this and how I might be able to fix it? Thanks




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Josh

05-01-2004 12:01:02




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 Re: slow M hydraulics belly pump in reply to John, 04-30-2004 19:44:20  
Mine acts similarly when trying to lift something heavy. If you have the correct 30w instead of hydraulic oil it will help. I have never used the 40w but imagine it would work in warm weather.



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john d

05-01-2004 08:56:43




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 Re: slow M hydraulics belly pump in reply to John, 04-30-2004 19:44:20  
A worn pump is the most likely cause of the problem. Removal and re-building of the pump isn't rocket science, but if you decide to go that way, get a manual, and get some help when you take the pump out - it's HEAVY!

That pump was originally designed to run on SAE30 non-detergent engine oil. You might try draining the oil that's in it, and putting in SAE40, which won't thin as much when it's warm. Non-detergent SAE40 or SAE50 may not be easy to find, and SAE50, while it will work fine in warm weather, may not flow much at all in the winter! It is possible - though some will disagree - to use a multigrade detergent oil such as 20W50. Now as soon as some folks read that statement, I'll probably get scolded. Yes, detergent oils MAY be more prone to foaming in a hydraulic situation, but in the old lift-all pumps, I haven't had that problem.
Another temporary solution is to install a larger diameter cylinder on the disk. If you have another cylinder that's bigger, use it. I know of one case where somebody made a bracket that allowed the use of 2 cylinders instead of one, thus making a disk easier to lift.

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gene b

05-01-2004 03:38:43




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 Re: slow M hydraulics belly pump in reply to John, 04-30-2004 19:44:20  
Your pump is bad 50yrs ago ours did the same thing and dealer never could fix it so we went with a M@W live pump that goes in front of the dist.



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MEK

05-03-2004 13:14:37




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 Re: Re: slow M hydraulics belly pump in reply to gene b, 05-01-2004 03:38:43  
Yah, right. Dealer couldn't fix it. Bull. Nothing a new pump couldn't cure. Dealer didn't WANT to fix it. Wanted to sell you the M&W pump. More money in it...



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