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Christopher S.

05-10-2004 11:59:11




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Howdy Y'all!
Thought I would look through here to see if I could cruise the posts and get some answers for my '53-A, which is 7 years older'n me, but so far no luck. I have a couple of ongoing issues with my faded pink girl and I am hoping some of youse guys or gals could hep a suburban turned rural techno-geek out with his old new tractor.

First: It came from Arkansas (land of me pappy) and a friend of the owner from whom I bought it brought it out here to central Texas. I rebuilt the carburator recently and got the beast up and running, but she doesn't hold steady or always seem to want the choke in the same position to keep running.

I have the International Harvester Manual (I think it's IT-8) for the A,SuperA, etc... and it only talks about special IH built carbs and I have a Marvel-Schebler. I got a rebuild kit from a place called the Carburetor Refactory in Rich, CA and the parts diagram with that helped a bit, especially when relating it to the IH manual one sentence blurb about throttle and idle speed adjustments.

SO, with the many years I have had playing with hi-tech electronics and electro-mechanics, these machines appear to be too simple for me to fix (I'm probably really just not that experienced with tractors-- you think?)

That's problem numero uno. Nummer zwei, is my PTO shaft will not hold a load. I have removed it from the tractor 3x and checked all that I can see to check with the manual and my eyeballs working together. I called a guy locally who told me there must have been a woodruff (half-moon) key that sheared on the shaft. If this is so, I am sure that I can find and fix that as long as I know I can get the right sized key. So the 2nd point of assistance I would like is if anyone out there knows the proper sized key for that and where I might come across such a thing?

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CNKS

05-10-2004 12:44:39




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 Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 05-10-2004 11:59:11  
IH didn't build any of the carbs for the A,B,C, etc, or the Super A that you have, they are either like yours (MS) or were built by Zenith or Carter. It sounds like you have a fuel flow problem, perhaps caused by crud in the tank, or your sediment bowl could be plugged. The carb has a screen inside the fitting that the fuel line screws into, check that too. Also check your float level, with the throttle body upside down, it should measure 9/32 inch from the gasket to the float. The Woodruff key is 3/16 x 2 1/8, IH part number 66984 D. You can find reprints of the original IH manuals at the website for Binder Books. You need an operator's, parts and service manuals. You will want to keep your I&T manual as a supplement.

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Christopher S. Dunn

05-10-2004 13:28:28




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 Re: Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to CNKS, 05-10-2004 12:44:39  
Thanks for the input so quickly CNKS. The float is okay, I did that during the rebuild and lined them up parallel to the body upside down as the diagram showed. Also I replaced the sediment bowl as a completely new unit and I also made sure the top of the threaded tube that went into the gas tank proper was higher than the original internal to the tank to reduce sediment entry into the line. It appears to be okay gas-wise.

The other screen you refer to is inside the carb fuel intake line? I didn't see any screen of any kind in there, so that's a new one on me. I will check that if I can, though I am hesitant to remove the carburetor again.

Yeah, I figure something's clogging me up, I just can't seem to find what. This whole "gravity" feed fuel system is something else. I did note as I was looking through this discussion board that a LOT of the questions seemed to revolve around carburetor issues or Clutch/Gear/PTO.

Once again, I appreciate your input and I will check out the couple of new items you mentioned for me and see what occurs.

FYI to anyone who reads this thread, I took a lot of photos of my rebuild before and after and I can post them if that is something anyone else would be interested in seeing.

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Bruce Wa.

05-10-2004 17:43:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 05-10-2004 13:28:28  
you don't have to remove the carb. the screen is connected to the fuel line fitting. remove the line and unscrew the fitting from the carb.



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Greg-N-CA

05-10-2004 20:38:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to Bruce Wa., 05-10-2004 17:43:15  
I'd like to see the pictures. I'm having similar problems with my B, I will investigate the fitting/screen tomorrow afternoon. Thanks for posting the question.



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CNKS

05-10-2004 18:56:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to Bruce Wa., 05-10-2004 17:43:15  
Yes, I should have said "attached to the fitting" instead of "in the fitting".



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Christopher S. Dunn

05-11-2004 14:36:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to CNKS, 05-10-2004 18:56:46  
Hey thanks again, Y'all. I have to admit, though, it occurred to me this morning that it is the simple stuff that tends to get you and so I wonder this:

When the carb's choke is at rest, hypothetically, with no cable attached and just the spring to hold it in position, is the choke closed or open? You see, this may have a large portion of an answer as to why the engine runs so funny. If I am adjusting the throttle and idle with the choke positions reversed from what I think they are, then that might be it.

As to photos of the carb, I will post them in a later message and I will title it MS-TSX-175 PICS.


Thanks again, this place might make me happy enough with my tractor to start restoring it as well as making it run for working the land.

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CNKS

05-11-2004 19:51:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 05-11-2004 14:36:06  
The choke remains in the position you left it in, rod or not. It is open with the lever on the carb in the horizontal position. My two carbs are Zenith and have no spring, I don't think MS has one either, unless you are talking about the small spring and ball inside of the lever that puts tension on the lever to keep it from moving.



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Christopher S. Dunn

05-12-2004 14:22:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to CNKS, 05-11-2004 19:51:13  
Well, CNKS, I appreciate once again your input. (and any others, to be sure)

Okay, the carb choke position is no biggie, I'll figger it out next time I look at it. The thing about the screen on the fuel inlet to the carb is another story. I checked my pictures (I took them before and during the rebuild to aid me in this sort of thing) and there was no inlet screen of any kind. The only screen for the fuel that I have is in the sediment bowl.

Is it possible that some of my apparent carb problems could be an air filter or a bad coil? I saw some mention of those earlier and just recently also, so just wondering.

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CNKS

05-12-2004 18:10:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Upkeep in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 05-12-2004 14:22:02  
Yours doesn't have one, but the elbow that screws into the carb that the fuel line attaches is SUPPOSED to have one. You can't cure an electical problem with the choke, although it might keep it running for a few seconds. If the tractor keeps running with the choke out, it should not be electrical. Not to say you don't have one, as it could be both. As to the MS carb, my C parts book shows only Zeinth and Carter, the Super A book does list a MS. THey are more or less interchangeable and should work ok.

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CNKS

05-12-2004 18:25:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A Upke in reply to CNKS, 05-12-2004 18:10:40  
Sorry, got your A mixed up with someone else's C -- that I also responded to --doesn't change my answer about the screen though.



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Christopher S. Dunn

05-13-2004 05:18:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A in reply to CNKS, 05-12-2004 18:25:16  
Well, thanks again fellas. I have to repeat myself though: When I took this carb apart, there was no elbow fitting with a screen on it attached to the carb. In fact, the fitting I have is a straight line in, which could bear replacing also.

I was only asking about the electrical as it sounded kind of similar to the outcome I was having.

Played with it yesterday and now I can get it to idle fine, but can't get it up to higher rpms when I throttle up. Instead it dies. I'll keep plugging away at it. Meanwhile, I ordered my books and am awaiting them so I can actually start looking like I know what I'm doing.

Thanks again!

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