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Belt Pulley Oil Leak

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MIKE

05-19-2004 17:40:45




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My Farmall M leaks approx 1/4 to 1/2 pint of oil out of the belt pulley (seems to be coming from around the shaft) every time it is started and driven even just a few yards. Does the shaft and flange come out just by removing the four bolts holding the shaft seal flange to the pulley housing body? and does this enable access to the seal? (sorry for the vague description but if you have one you will know what I mean.)
I just wanted to know before I started, was it a quick easy job or is it a bit of a mission?
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Mike

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Matt Page

05-20-2004 06:47:59




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 Re: Belt Pulley Oil Leak in reply to MIKE, 05-19-2004 17:40:45  
Is the seal set up the same for an H belt drive? My H leaks there and the bearings are rough when you turn it. I plan on getting a pulley to go on it to run a syrup mill this fall, was gonna just run it and know more about it after its been used,?... Are the belt drives pretty bullet proof, or do I have to have it perfect?



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Haas

05-20-2004 18:44:58




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 Re: Re: Belt Pulley Oil Leak in reply to Matt Page, 05-20-2004 06:47:59  
Never had an H pulley apart, but I think similar to the M. If bearings are rough, probably best to replace them.



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Haas

05-19-2004 18:32:19




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 Re: Belt Pulley Oil Leak in reply to MIKE, 05-19-2004 17:40:45  
I posted an answer on this a few days ago. Here we go again. I think the pulley flange has three bolts, not four, but I could be wrong. Anyway, take the bolts out of the flange. It may take a little perswasion with a pry bar, but after the bolts are out, the flange and the shaft with two bearings and a gear on the end will slide out. Be prepared to catch the oil that will come out too, as there is no drain. The small sump of the pulley is fed from the transmission and overflows back to the transmission. Since it is an overflow system, and this is the high point of the transmission sump, any water tends to accumulate there, so you may get some water out too. Running the pulley occasionally will help keep the water out and if the tractor ever works and gets hot, the water will evaporate. If it is allowed to accumulate in the pulley housing, the bearings will eventually go bad. There is no gasket under the retainer flange, only shims to adjust the gear lash. So to avoid leaks, the shims and surfaces must be completely clean at reassembly. The shims should be put back like you found them unless you want to go through the process of readjusting the gear lash. To replace the seal, you really need a bearing press.
The gear, and both bearings must be removed to replace the seal. Seems I recall there is a spacer on the shaft as well. It's not really a bad job. I took mine to a shop that had a press to remove and reinstall the bearings and gear. I do believe, though that if you have some experience in such things, you could do it with a puller without a press. When you have it reassembled, put a quart of gear oil in through the fill port on the pulley housing to supply initial lubrication when you restart. Any excess oil put in will just go into the transmission.

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BEL@IN

05-19-2004 18:30:15




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 Re: Belt Pulley Oil Leak in reply to MIKE, 05-19-2004 17:40:45  
When you remove the 4 bolts it does allow the seal and drive gear and all to come out. Bad news is it will take a press to remove the drive gear and free the seal. Probably best to have a press lined up.



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CNKS

05-19-2004 18:33:23




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 Re: Re: Belt Pulley Oil Leak in reply to BEL@IN, 05-19-2004 18:30:15  
I replaced mine without a press, don't remember any particular problem.



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Garrison

05-20-2004 06:22:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Belt Pulley Oil Leak in reply to CNKS, 05-19-2004 18:33:23  
I also didnt need to use the puller to get the bearings off. I think its kind of interesting because two days ago i just got done putting new seals in the belt pully.



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Haas

05-20-2004 18:47:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Belt Pulley Oil Leak in reply to Garrison, 05-20-2004 06:22:49  
My experience, getting the gear off the shaft is the difficult part. The bearings come off pretty easy.



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TDK

05-19-2004 18:26:03




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 Re: Belt Pulley Oil Leak in reply to MIKE, 05-19-2004 17:40:45  
You've already got it figured out,Mike. After removing flange bolts, pull shaft from housing, may need to pry just a little. Or better yet, use an axle puller. Remove bolt,bearings,spacer & flange from shaft. Replace seal & felt washer.



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