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farmall m stuck pistons

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pedro

05-31-2004 12:09:29




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thanks to jed,tdk, wayne swenson,pa steve try all you all told me to put in nothing works mybe ifi put some heat on them might work any think help what am i doing wrong. thanks all of you for helping out tio97




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El Toro

06-05-2004 06:41:29




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
Hi Pedro, If you have the head and oil pan removed, pour some automatic transmission fluid
over the pistons and let soak for several days.
Remove the rod caps and the rod bolts too unless they're using studs.

Use a piece of 2X2 oak or maple wood
to drive and drive the pistons out. Be careful not to damage the machined surface of the crankshaft. The sleeves may also come out of the block. If that happens you can put heat on the sleeves to remove the pistons.

I restored a Farmall A and it had stuck pistons too. That is how I removed the pistons and the wet sleeves came out on several of the cylinders.

I put everything new ithe engine except for the crankshaft. I just had it polished and used .002" undersize bearings. It ran like a new on one. I don't think the oil was ever changed in this tractor. As soon as I got it running, I plowed my garden with the 16-inch plow that came with the tractor.

Take a little patience to drive those pistons out. Good Luck, Hal

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PEDRO

06-05-2004 13:34:59




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 Re: Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to El Toro, 06-05-2004 06:41:29  
I WANT T0 THANK YOU ALL FOR TELLING ME WHAT TO PUT IN PISTON THE BEST THAT WORK FOR ME WAS BRAKE FLUED AND COKE I HAD 2 HOUSE JACKS ON CRANKSHAFT WITH SHORT 2BY 4 RAISE LITTLE AT A TIME TAP ON TOP WITH SHORT 4 BY 4 PURO A COKE IN HOLE OVER NIGHT IT TURN I IN. AT THE TIME THEY ALL COME OK ITS SLOW BUT IT WORK SEE HERE IN TEXAS IT RAIN A LOT THE TRACTOR WAS NEAR THE RIVER IN LOW LAND.ALL YOU SEE WAS STEERING 2WEEK BUT ITS WORKING AGAIN THANKS TIO97.

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PA

05-31-2004 22:58:27




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
I once saw a neighbor of ours pour cans of Coke in each hole in the block until it was full. He left it for a few days and the pistons came out with some effort but they came out none the less. It will disolve a penny in time, and to think we actually drink the stuff



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RST

05-31-2004 20:41:23




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
Get the torch and cut them out. No waiting around. You may loose a piston rod or two but it's quick and dirty. Time is money. Good luck!



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Pat Rivers-Bowerman

05-31-2004 19:21:57




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  

The pros have the same grief too.

Was just by an engine re-builder's shopin a dairy-town where I have my IH bits in.

They had the two-cylinder block from a green tractor [John Deere 720 - am I allowed to mention that, here ?]

It had stood out in the Back Forty for 17 years. Its new owner, a collector, had managed to get one huge piston out; the other was not shifting at all, so he brought it in.

Anyhow, the shop has it in a big press, with a big piece of round stock on piston crown, liberal doses of penetrating oil and gingerly brought hydraulic pressure up to 2,000 psi.

The BIG aluminum piston had 4 rings - but was grooved for 6. And the oil control ring was mounted on the skirt below the gudgeon pin - so there has to be plenty to stick fast.

Not shifting as yet - it's a solid bore [eg: no liner] so a cracked block would be fatal ....

Will let you know how they make out - in event, it may work here.

Regards
Pat from New Brunswick

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jonesy

05-31-2004 18:35:05




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
Put some diesel in the cylinders and light them on FIRE. Im not kidding. Let it burn for a while then you shouldnt have much trouble. Its worked for me every time and others who have tried it also swear by it.



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Tom Graham

05-31-2004 16:51:02




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
I put a small hydraulic jack on top of the piston ( used a big socket for a spacer first)then ran a chain over the top of the jack (I had to make an adapter to keep the chain on top of the jack) and hooked it onto the side rails on each side of the engine. I put pressure on the jack and walked away. every time I walked by it for the next day or so, I gave the jack a pump, pretty soon the piston freed up.

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BIG JOHN

05-31-2004 16:13:02




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
Been there done that many times. The same thing will not always work every time. I have tried many different things. Some times one thing will work and the next time it won't.

Remember that most pistons will not come out the top without the ridge being removed first. I always take the rods loose from the crank in the hopes that all of the pistons are not stuck, just one or two hopefully. If you can get the crank to move out of the way it is best.

A piece of Hedge limb, close to the size of the piston makes a very good block to use for driving the pistons down. Driving the pistons up from the bottom is a different story. You will need to use a solid rod of a size that you can get between the connecting rod and the cyl. wall. Driving a piston up from the bottom will usually drive out the sleeve also.

I always figure that a stuck engine will need a complete set of pistons and sleeves. Then if I get lucky it is a big plus.

Keep trying something has got to give, hope it isn't you.

GOOD LUCK

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Bob in SE Nebraska

05-31-2004 15:13:06




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
I found the quickest and most efficient way was to remove the engine, turn it upside down on blocks and bash the pistons out with a pipe and a big hammer. Sometimes the piston comes out and sometimes you drive the sleeve out. Either way it will get the job done. The pistons will be damaged but it sure nice to have a tractor with a new sleeve & piston set in it. I don't care to spend the money on the project but sometimes that is what it comes down to. Hope this helps.

Bob

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Kelly C

05-31-2004 17:44:01




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 Re: Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to Bob in SE Nebraska, 05-31-2004 15:13:06  
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Thats what I had to do with my 300. Pulled the motor. Put it on a stand, flipped her upside down ( Braced the end) and beat the stuffing out of that piston until it came out.



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rustyfarmall

05-31-2004 13:51:17




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
Don't feel too bad, I also have tried everything that was ever mentioned on these forums, turpentine, PB blaster, etc.,etc. None of it worked, zilch, nada, nothing. I ended up breaking the pistons out of one engine, and I am still waiting for some kind of results on the second stuck engine. It has been soaking for about 4 months now, using various types of magic potions, and even combinations of everything. I have yet to find something that will work.

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Tommy H

05-31-2004 14:17:51




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 Re: Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to rustyfarmall, 05-31-2004 13:51:17  
I have a question...

If you unhooked the connecting rod from the Crank and let the crank swing free.
Then drilled a hole through a piston. Dropped a threaded rod through the hole, and put a sizeable washer and nut on the lower end, and put the top part through a heavy peice of steel on top, and put a nut on top of all that.

Then tightened it all up, then started cranking on the top nut, shouldnt it break it free and pull the piston out the top? Your not going to break the block, and the worst you can do is pull it through the piston, which I doubt would happen.

any thoughts?

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rustyfarmall

05-31-2004 15:11:32




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 Re: Re: Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to Tommy H, 05-31-2004 14:17:51  
I tried that, pulled the top right out of the piston, the rest of it was still stuck in the sleeve.



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rick bloomquist

05-31-2004 14:54:24




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 Re: Re: Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to Tommy H, 05-31-2004 14:17:51  
i worked in a salvage yard some 15,20 years ago what we found to losen up anything that was stuck to cast or metal,weither it be pistons,dist.etc. was brake fluid.



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rustyfarmall

05-31-2004 15:13:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to rick bloomquist, 05-31-2004 14:54:24  
I agree, brake fluid is one of the best penetrants there is, but in this case, it did not work.



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Pedro

05-31-2004 15:34:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to rustyfarmall, 05-31-2004 15:13:59  
Have you tried The liquid called Kroil from Kano lab. Had any luck with this. I'm in the same boat as you. I've tried everything else. Nothing has worked yet.



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Wayne Swenson

05-31-2004 12:48:00




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 Re: farmall m stuck pistons in reply to pedro , 05-31-2004 12:09:29  
You could try putting hot water in the block(carefully to not crack the block) and put some dry ice on the piston. The block will enlarge and the piston shrink.
My son had an M that was so stuck that it took a jackhammer to get the piston out and the sleeve came with it!!
Patience will help.



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