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Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farmall M

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Robert Murphy

06-02-2004 09:26:56

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1- Whats the weight of a Farmall M ?

2- I recently purchased a 1952 farmall M, and need to rent a trailer and tow it myself behind my f-150 pick up or pay somebody else to pick it up in Kempton Ill (80 miles south of Chicago) and drop it off in Grand Junction Michigan(133 miles to Grand Junction Mich)Probably 425 miles round trip. Any ideas or referrals?

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Norm

06-03-2004 10:31:36

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

I'm a do it yourself guy and I'm always concerned about paying for things that I can do myself for less. Econonic isn't hard to understand I think but at the same time I do not want to kill anyone on the road. So... I'm a bit in the middle.. a real struggle.. Chance or no chance. Not sure I could live with myself if anything ever happened.. The problem is that if I really thought something was going to happen, I wouldn't drive on the road to start with load or no load. So I get on the road believeing that nothing will happen.. I think it's called ignorance. LOL..

I'm not remotely close to being a lawyer but a few thoughts which have/do cross my mind when having to make the decision of hauling over weight or in a non-compliant manner are.. I'm concerned that by operating a non-compliant vehicle (over-weight), a driver is are entering the world of negligence.. Where would we stand in court if a lawyer said " did you know you were over weight? " Does the insurance company have to cover you if you are running over-weight.

Just my 2 cents..
Norm

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'52 Farmall H

06-03-2004 08:17:22

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

Mr. Murphy, my father has a '91 F-150 with the I-6, E4OD tranny and 8.8 rear. We have towed (with the stock 5,000lbs bumper)a 3,000lbs Jeep on a car caddy just fine. However,I belive the M will be way to much for the truck. Even if you have a V8 that will not help. You need a bigger rear and you need weight.

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JD-Tractor

06-02-2004 18:15:41

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

Big mistake trying to haul that M with your 1/2 ton pickup.especially your first time and with a rented trailer.I can't believe the guys that go about things half... especially when they have no experience or don't know what they are doing. Remember you put everyone's life in jeopardy out on the road!!

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David B

06-02-2004 17:13:07

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

We had a 1995 Ford F-150 on the farm and an M is is a heavy load for it. I've never tried it with my '95 F-150 (different truck), and don't plan on it.

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Pete

06-02-2004 15:38:45

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

I rented a flat bed trailer and used my Cat IV hitch with a 2 inch ball and pulled a 53 SM from Conn to NC with no problem. The trailer had dual 3500 lb axles and handled the load fine. Rented Trailer for 100.00 for the weekend and the experience is just part of bringing this old girl back to life. Saddle up and go pick her up!!!

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CNKS

06-02-2004 18:47:08

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Re: Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport F in reply to Pete, 06-02-2004 15:38:45

You were maxed out on weight, one weak part, and you might kill some people.

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Pete

06-02-2004 19:05:36

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Re: Re: Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transpo in reply to CNKS, 06-02-2004 18:47:08

Dry weight of Super M is less than 6000lbs. Cat IV hitch is 10,500. Truck is a Dodge 3/4 ton. Am I missing something here that this equates to being maxed out on payload and posing a hazard to other drivers?? The load pulled fine!

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JD-Tractor

06-02-2004 19:53:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to tra in reply to Pete, 06-02-2004 19:05:36

I don't doubt the load pulled fine ,note you had a 3/4 ton pickup not a f150 which is nothing but an automobile with a pickup box on it,you may be experienced and know what to do when things go sour, I have pulled loads of all shapes and sizes with everything imaginable and many times it was questionable,unsafe and even illegal but as I had been doing it for 25 years I was confident.I also would not have hesitated to drive into a ditch if need be to avoid an accident, The problem is now days you do something dumb or questionable and then you want to put the blame on everyone else. as always SAFETY FIRST!

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randy hall

06-02-2004 19:27:31

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to tra in reply to Pete, 06-02-2004 19:05:36

don't worry about the 'heavy duty police' i have pulled an 'm' thousands of miles with a 7000# trailer without a problam. i also have a three axle trailer that usually stays home.

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CNKS

06-02-2004 20:03:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to in reply to randy hall, 06-02-2004 19:27:31

I'm not the heavy duty police. There are enough problems pulling a trailer without having to wonder if it is strong enough. If I had to decide whether to use a 7000 or a 10000, I would pick the 10000 -- but my 1/2 ton is not heavy enough (power is marginal, transmission and rear axle are barely adequate) to pull an M on a 3000 lb/10000 GVW trailer, so I don't pull M's. A Super H is all my truck wants, and I'm not sure I'm ever going to do that again, as I don't want to have to buy a new transmission. You can do what you want, but if you ever get stopped by the REAL heavy duty police, I doubt if you are legal. I haven't towed thousands, but I have towed hundreds, on several occasions. My point is, someone with no experience is an accident waiting to happen. If you feel safe, go for it, but I hope I never meet you on the highway.

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CNKS

06-02-2004 19:13:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to tra in reply to Pete, 06-02-2004 19:05:36

You had a 7000 lb GVW trailer that weighed about 2000 lbs -- add your 6000 lb Super M to that, gives you 8000 lbs. I don't know how much safety margin is built into those trailers, and I don't want to find out. Pulled fine does NOT mean you were safe, just lucky. In your case it wasn't your truck or hitch, it was the trailer.

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CNKS

06-02-2004 13:51:22

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

An M is a pretty good load for a half-ton. Not because of power, but weight. Sort of a tail wagging the dog type of thing. The normal 7000 lb capacity car trailer weighs about 2000 lbs, so an M will be right at or over the capacity of the trailer, depending on how the tractor is set up. A 10000 lb capacity trailer weighs about 3000 lbs, meaning the M will be well within it's capacity, but you have another thousand lbs to pull, plus or minus, because of the heavier trailer.

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farmall300u

06-02-2004 12:25:34

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

Go for it. I rented a car trailer (7000lb)from UHaul with a surge brake (just don't back up)and hauled a wide front end Farmall 350 five hundred miles behind a Ford F250. Rear wheels just fit on the rails with some of the tire hanging over. Learned alot about towing on my first time.

Had a lot of fun doing it.

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26Red

06-02-2004 12:19:11

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

Well, if you're a "do it yourself" kind of guy:

Any place that rents bobcats/skid steer loaders, should have a trailer you can rent that will handle the load. You may need a electric trailer brake controller for your truck. ($90 or so) You should plan on at least 5500-6000lbs of tractor. You may have to adjust the rear tires in or reverse one to get it narrow enough to fit it onto a trailer. If the tractor is in running condition loading should be easy. I would also rent chains and binders to secure to the trailer.

The book "Antique Tractor Bible" has lots of good information about tractors in general as well as hauling your tractor.

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rustyfarmall

06-02-2004 11:36:56

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

I would think that it might be about as cheap or even cheaper to hire this done than to rent a trailer and make the round trip. Most haulers will charge you only by the loaded mile, so this would be only half the distance of your round trip. If you have never towed a trailer with a load similar to an M, let me tell you that first trip will be a real eye opening experience. Have you placed an ad in the hauling schedule?

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Allan in NE

06-02-2004 11:45:28

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Re: Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport F in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-02-2004 11:36:56

I agree. Put an ad in the hauling schedule and the trucks will contact you.

These truckers are dead-heading all over the country and are more than happy to haul your tractor; they want the load to help offset the dead-head fuel costs.

My view,

Allan

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Dave_Id

06-02-2004 09:32:21

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Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport Farma in reply to Robert Murphy, 06-02-2004 09:26:56

The M weighs 5000#'s or better depending on wheel weights, and loaded tires.

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Jamie Stratton

06-02-2004 19:01:28

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Re: Re: Two Questions, Weight?/How to transport F in reply to Dave_Id, 06-02-2004 09:32:21

When I hulled my farmall M from washington pa to cecil county md it was convenient. My dad is a truck driver. We got the tractor on to a roll back then drove it off the roll back onto his 45 foot flat bed. The 6000 lb or so tractor didn't even flex the trailer. Of course I'm talking about a 17000 pound freighliner not a ford f-150. I think it would be dangerous, but depends on the trailer. If you have a double or triple axle trailer with a good enough weight rating it should work. Most new trucks today can only pull 10000 pounds though so it may be hard.

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