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Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A

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Christopher S.

06-04-2004 08:47:57




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Hey Y'all!

Before I get to the question I have, I'd just like to take a moment to sound a hurrah for the stuff posted on this board, even when it goes slightly beyond, "What's wrong with my tractor?"

I don't think I have seen a larger group of fairly level headed and humorous folks on a discussion board. Nice place to come to.

The question I have is this. Is there an easy or "down and dirty" way to check the coil on my system for good operation without a dwell meter? I have the Farmall A model and have gone through the carburetor issues, cleaned out the radiator (thought it was overheating) and the unit still starts great, then runs for up to about 20 minutes, then starts to stall out like it is getting too much gas. Without access to searching the archives, I have to ask this here.

I saw a few mentions on this, though all were related to M models or 450's or some other number. I know that they are all tractors and there is most likely some general correlation. I also know what happens when you make an assumption, so if anyone knows of a quick "down on the farm" method for checking a coil's operation, I would love to hear it.

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El Toro

06-07-2004 15:48:46




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 Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 06-04-2004 08:47:57  
Hi Chris, When you purchase that new coil buy a condenser too. They're known to give trouble when
they get warm after the engine warms up. Good Luck, hal



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LWWinPA

06-04-2004 20:12:37




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 Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 06-04-2004 08:47:57  
I myself had the same problem it sound like. I solved it by checking the advance springs in the Distributor that solved mine



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gene b

06-04-2004 19:20:37




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 Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 06-04-2004 08:47:57  
If you think it is the coil just start the engine and use a hair dryer to warm it up if that makes it stop you have found the problem if that doesent stop it must be the condenser. Or better yet put new ones.



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john *.?-!.* cub owner

06-04-2004 09:40:05




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 Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 06-04-2004 08:47:57  
By stall out do you mean it starts blowing black smoke as if flooding, or just starts missing and fianlly dies? If the latter, a coil or condednser can cause this. Also a plugged vent in the fuel tank cap, not to mention dirt or rust restricting fuel flow to the carb.



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Christopher S. Dunn

06-04-2004 16:38:50




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 Re: Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to john *.?-!.* cub owner, 06-04-2004 09:40:05  
In response to your question...

...[do you mean it starts blowing black smoke as if flooding, or just starts missing and fianlly dies?]

It is the latter. I have pretty much ruled out fuel flow, per se. I figured the coil, based on a lot of other related discussions about this particular problem from here on this board. I have yet to test it. As it so happens, one of the other things I do is provide computer repair, rebuild/upgrade services when possible and a friend of mine called in a panic about her system. I spent most of the rest of the day doing phone calls (like to my supplier-- what do you mean my, "order isn't in the system?") and things like that.

It sounds like the best time to test my coil would be in the fading light of post sunset and that won't be too far away.

Someone mentioned getting a "generic" coil instead of paying the higher dealer price for one. Is there a "standard" 6V coil I can get like at TSC or perhaps an auto parts store that would work? I am less interested in "authentic and complete" IH Farmall condition than I am in being able to actually use my tractor.

Once again, thanks millions for all the sage input.

Christopher

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Dave in CT

06-04-2004 21:24:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 06-04-2004 16:38:50  
Oops, yeah, I was assuming a neg ground in my earlier post about clipping the center coil wire down for a test. Just get it close to a good ground and forget about the distributor bolt and you should be O.K. The spark will be easier to see if it's dusk but, even if sunny, in a good shadow it's pretty easily seen.

If it's a system that's been converted to 12V and you have an external resistor just before the coil, I posted a solution to a similar problem I had a couple of weeks ago. Similarly, after five minutes or so, it'd start running rough, stall out, be unable to start. Let it cool down, it'd restart. I tried leaving the battery connected with the kill switch in the 'run' position without the engine running. I left it that way for about five minutes and, even though the rest of the system was cool, it wouldn't start. The resistor had heated up and was the problem. I replaced both the resistor and the coil with a 12V coil with a built-in resistor (3 ohms resistance) and haven't had a problem since.

Again, I'd be curious to hear what the solution proves to be so let us know.

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john *.?-!.* cub owner

06-04-2004 19:07:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 06-04-2004 16:38:50  
You can get a generic 6 volt coil at most auto parts or farm supply stores. It may look different from yours but will work. Don't forget that since the system is still 6 volts it probably is also + ground, so the + terminal of the coil will connect to the lead going to the distributer, and the - terminal goes to the ignition switch.



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Dave in CT

06-04-2004 09:36:56




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 Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 06-04-2004 08:47:57  
I'd check the coil cold and then after it starts to stall out - wait until it is at its worst - like when it won't start again. To check the coil pull the center wire out of the distributor and hold (or clip) the free end of the wire about 1/16" to 1/8" away from a good ground. My H owner's manual shows a method in the timing section of clipping this wire under the distributor cap clip. Clip it so the end of the wire is 1/16" to 1/8" away from the bolt on the side of the distributor where the wire that goes to the positive pole on the coil is attached. If you have help you can hold it in this position with some well-insulated pliers and have the other person turn the engine over. Turn the engine over. When cold you'll probably see a bluish-white spark. When you do the test after it starts to run bad, if the coil is bad, you'll probably see a yellowish spark or, if it's died, no spark at all. Hope this helps. Let us know what happens.

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Van in AR

06-04-2004 08:57:52




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 Re: Possible Coil Problem on Farmall A in reply to Christopher S. Dunn, 06-04-2004 08:47:57  
If you don't have a way of testing it get a donor coil from another maching and see how it runs. Sounds like a coil to me. You can buy a generic one at a auto parts store for about $7.00 instead of the twenty the dealer wants.
Van



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