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Greg

06-14-2004 10:22:28




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My IH 364 w/BD154 diesel engine may need some attention. After mowing for 1 hour with a 5' rotary mower I turned off the tractor and within 2 minutes or so went to crank it up again. It turned over fine but seemed to actually fire and crank kind of lazy - like it lacked compression. This scares me. I ran this tractor for 3 years in a row mowing hay for the previous owner several years ago before I bought it from him a month ago. I never remembered this "lazy" starting when hot. I pulled a 9' sickle mower for several hours at a time and never saw it do this. This engine has NEVER run hot with me, not even under the hardest loads and doesn't use much oil to speak of. Am I low on compression and a resleeve is in my future or could it be something else? If I need a resleeve, can I simply pull the head and pan and do it without splitting the tractor or removing the crank?

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lee

06-15-2004 17:10:07




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 Re: BD154 resleeving - help... in reply to Greg, 06-14-2004 10:22:28  
why not do a compression test to see what you have. I don't know what reading you should expect
but someone here might.



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Greg

06-16-2004 08:41:55




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 Re: Re: BD154 resleeving - help... in reply to lee, 06-15-2004 17:10:07  
Yeah, I need to do that. I haven't yet simply because I just noticed this "lazy" starting situation this weekend and wanted to get opinions. Will I have to pull the injectors and use that hole to screw my compression gage in or can I screw it in at the glow plug holes and get the same result? I ask because it would be much quicker and I wouldn't have to disturb the fuel system if I can check it through the glow plug holes.

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El Toro

06-15-2004 07:51:09




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 Re: BD154 resleeving - help... in reply to Greg, 06-14-2004 10:22:28  
Hi Greg, Did the tractor ever start after cooling off? Your radiator may have the fins blocked with dirt and hay. The radiator may need to be rodded. If you get it started hold your hand on the radiator to see if it gets hot all over. You can resleeve the engine by dropping the pan and removing the head unless the crankshaft needs machining. Then I would pull
the engine. I should've had that 9-ft sickle bar
when I was growing up. Good Luck, Hal
PS: Do a lot of checking before tearing into the
engine.,

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Greg

06-15-2004 12:51:17




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 Re: Re: BD154 resleeving - help... in reply to El Toro, 06-15-2004 07:51:09  
El Toro, assuming I do end up needing to resleeve I have some questions: I am a good mechanic but I've never resleeved an engine before. My oil pressure is good and stays good even after hours of running so I don't think I'll mess with the crank. I simply pull the head and pan, take rod/piston assy. out. Then, how exactly do I remove the sleeves? Is there a specific tool I need that uses the top deck of the block as leverage to pull the sleeves out the top? Do they usually come out without trouble or are they more commonly a problem? I more than likely won't rush into this since the tractor still runs fine but I want to get as much info as I can so I'll be ready when I decide to do it. Have you ever resleeved a BD154? What brand name parts should I use and where should I buy them? Thanks.

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El Toro

06-16-2004 06:13:28




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 Re: Re: Re: BD154 resleeving - help... in reply to Greg, 06-15-2004 12:51:17  
Hi Greg, I'm sure IH has a tool for pulling those sleeves. I've never worked on a BD154. You may not need to replace the sleeves since your tractor has been serviced regularly. If it starts using a considerable amount of oil then you may want to rebuild the engine. You may only need to install new rings and bearings. You would want to measure the sleeves and pistons for wear. If the sleeves are out of wear limits, then you would have to replace the sleeves. I restored 5 or tractors only the Farmall had sleeves and the engine was seized. I used a wooden block to drive out the pistons. Some of the sleeves came out too. I had a piece of aluminum round stock machined to fit the other
sleeves and drove them out. These were wet sleeves. Your sleeves are probably dry and are pressed in. Get a good shop manual before you
start. Good Luck, Hal

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Greg

06-15-2004 12:44:18




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 Re: Re: BD154 resleeving - help... in reply to El Toro, 06-15-2004 07:51:09  
Thanks for the reply El Toro. I didn't explain myself very well. First of all, the tractor did not get hot. It has a mechanical gage that works fine and it never gets hot, runs as cool as a cucumber. Radiator is clean and it doesn't loose a drop of water. I simply mowed for 1 hour, turned it off to unhook my mower, then it was lazy to start. It turned over a couple of seconds before firing and that's why I'm afraid it's got compression issues. Like I said, I ran this tractor for 3 summers in a row mowing hay, I was away from it for 4 years, then I bought it from the fellow I mowed hay with it for just a few weeks ago. I never remember this "lazy" starting when I used it several years ago. I would mow hay several hours at a time and don't recall it ever starting like it did on me this weekend. It just makes me concerned. When I used it back then, it might use 1/4 - 1/2 qt of oil running it wide open all day mowing very thick hay. It NEVER ever got hot even in 100 degree Texas heat. What else would cause this slow starting condition when up to temperature besides low compression? I must say, this BD154 simply will not start when cold without glow plugs but it was always like that. I've talked with other BD154 owners who say the same thing. But once you crank it from cold using the glow plugs you didn't have to use them again until the next morning.

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El Toro

06-16-2004 15:02:37




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 Re: Re: Re: BD154 resleeving - help... in reply to Greg, 06-15-2004 12:44:18  
Hi Greg, That isn't very much oil that the engine
is using. Check it often and change it regularly.

Most diesels are hard to start in the
cold weather without some way to preheat them. If
you use it alot in the winter you install a coolant heater in the block or in the bottom radiator hose. You can also put them on a timer
to come on when you need it. It will start like summer time then. Glad you didn't have any over- heating problems. Keep Mowing, Hal

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