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Likely cause for my BD154 diesel problem?

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Greg

07-28-2004 14:11:27




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I have an IH364 with the BD154 diesel. The other day I let out on the clutch too fast and it died. I went to start it and it wouldn't start. I had to bleed the injectors to get it cranked. After running 1 minute or so it died again and I had to bleed again to get it running. Since then I have only let it idle in the shop for 10 minutes or so and this didn't happen but I haven't run it more than that since then. Is my transfer pump likely my problem? I don't suspect the injector pump simply because the tractor is relatively low hour (don't know them exactly) but I know the tractor's history. This has never happened before but I do see a noticeable fuel leak around the transfer pump. The tractor was serviced about 10 hours prior to this happening and has never done this.

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lee

07-28-2004 14:25:28




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 Re: Likely cause for my BD154 diesel problem? in reply to Greg, 07-28-2004 14:11:27  
The transfer pump could be the problem if it has developed a hole in the diaphram possibly drawing in some air and passing it on to the injection pump. If there is evidence of a fuel leak there check to see where it is coming from. If not from the fittings there must be a hole in the diaphram or a crack in the pump. Lots of times the diaphram will develop a leak and the fuel will end up in the oil.

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UFO Man

07-28-2004 17:51:15




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 Re: Re: Likely cause for my BD154 diesel problem? in reply to lee, 07-28-2004 14:25:28  
Concur with Lee. Look in the oil first, if the level has risen, there is a leak in the diaphram of the transfer pump. Easy, cheap fix.

Incidently, the diaphram can be completely ripped and the tractor will still run if the fuel lines are air tight. The injector pump will keep a prime just like a siphon. I found my transfer pump leak by observing a stream of oil coming from the dipstick hole, pulled the dipstick out (dumb move) and got covered in oil/diesel mix. Thank goodness we weren't operating under load, just idle.

If there is diesel exiting a section of the fuel line, it is logical that air can enter. The engine can handle a small amount of air in the fuel lines so long as there isn't enough to block the flow of fuel. The firemen at our station don't bleed the fuel filter, just fire up that big ol Detroit at about half throttle and let it ride out the air bubble. Coughs a little, burps and goes on roaring.

Here's what may have happened: You got shut down under load, which pulled air into the fuel line. The bleed got most of the air, but it sucked some more in or hit another bubble and shut down again after a minute. Then the next bleed finished off the air.

So you have to get the fuel lines air tight and that means fuel tight, too. If you have to put on a new transfer pump, there will be new bress or copper washers for the banjo fitting. get some extras for the top of the fuel filter canister. Don't forget the rubber lines, if they don't have compression clamps, put some on.

Let us know how this works out, we like good news.

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Greg

08-02-2004 07:44:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Likely cause for my BD154 diesel probl in reply to UFO Man, 07-28-2004 17:51:15  
I found my problem. My 364 has a glass sediment bowl between the fuel tank and the transfer pump. I figured out that the bale nut under the glass bowl was loose allowing air to enter the fuel system. I tightened it up some and it solved my problem. I ran the tractor 2 hours after that and it ran fine without dying. I still need to put in my transfer pump kit though since it is kind of messy and leaking from somewhere. Thank you for your help.

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Greg

07-30-2004 20:52:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Likely cause for my BD154 diesel probl in reply to UFO Man, 07-28-2004 17:51:15  
Hey UFO Man and Lee, I still haven't put in my fuel pump kit yet but I cranked my 364 tonight and just let it idle in the shop. It cranked fine and idled fine for about 15 minutes or so. Then, out of nowhere, I heard the rpm's raise quickly about 100 rpm or so just as if you had quickly hit the accelerator just a little then let off. It went back to idle immediately. It did this again two more times within about 1 minute and finally died and wouldn't crank again. Am I getting air into the system through my most likely bad transfer pump or do I have an injector pump problem? Lord I hope it's only the transfer pump needing a kit...

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