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dave

08-01-2004 07:10:50




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Anyone ever explain painting somewhere so that a rank greenhorn could possibly give it a whirl?I have a few that need red,(what else?)I have a compressor (big 'un) 3 paint guns (was told they were junk) and some more small tools to help with the job.I dont have the money or time to go back to school,and I aint paying 2000 to have my tractor painted.Thanks




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CNKS

08-01-2004 17:24:15




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to dave, 08-01-2004 07:10:50  
You might ask this on the Paint Forum on this site. Read the archives first, then ask specific questions. Basically you first remove all paint and rust. Then paint with epoxy primer, followed by acrylic enamel or acrylic urethane on the cast and small parts. Use epoxy on the sheet metal also, in combination with body filler, etc for any dents, followed by a sandable surfacer (two or more applications) then topcoat. If you use hardeners you have to have a supplied air system for the isocyanates, a cartridge mask is not enough. If you use acrylic enamel without hardener, then you can use a cartridge mask. Use paints made by PPG, Dupont, Martin Senour, Sherwin Williams, etc. These paints have very specific instructions as to how much and what kind of reducer, etc to use-- this removes the guesswork. Don"t buy "Tractor Store paint, it is synthetic enamel and will fade rapidly, unless you leave your tractor inside all the time. You can use IH 2150 from your Case-IH dealer, if you desire, the paint from the major suppliers is better. If you are unsure of your guns, to start with you can buy an inexpensive HVLP gun, might not last forever, but it will get you started. Use a water trap with our compressor, and mount it as far away from the compressor as possible, mine is about 70 feet. As I said, read the paint forum, there is a lot of information there, and several people who are knowledgeable enough to answer most of your questions.

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CNKS

08-01-2004 17:23:02




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to dave, 08-01-2004 07:10:50  
You might ask this on the Paint Forum on this site. Read the archives first, then ask specific questions. Basically you first remove all paint and rust. Then paint with epoxy primer, followed by acrylic enamel or acrylic urethane on the cast and small parts. Use epoxy on the sheet metal also, in combination with body filler, etc for any dents, followed by a sandable surfacer (two or more applications) then topcoat. If you use hardeners you have to have a supplied air system for the isocyanates, a cartridge mask is not enough. If you use acrylic enamel without hardener, then you can use a cartridge mask. Use paints made by PPG, Dupont, Martin Senour, Sherwin Williams, etc. These paints have very specific instructions as to how much and what kind of reducer, etc to use-- this removes the guesswork. Don"t buy "Tractor Store paint, it is synthetic enamel and will fade rapidly, unless you leave your tractor inside all the time. You can use IH 2150 from your Case-IH dealer, if you desire, the paint from the major suppliers is better. If you are unsure of your guns, to start with you can buy an inexpensive HVLP gun, might not last forever, but it will get you started. Use a water trap with our compressor, and mount it as far away from the compressor as possible, mine is about 70 feet. As I said, read the paint forum, there is a lot of information there, and several people who are knowledgeable enough to answer most of your questions.

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buck

08-01-2004 08:17:11




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to dave, 08-01-2004 07:10:50  

well it is all about preperation. Ask yourself. Is this puppy ready to paint. Good sound existing paint that is clean and and sanded is usually good. Good clean castings,free of oil and grease is usually good. Of course a little bit of Bondo work is usually in order as may be a patch or 2. Now the biggest part of the painting is selecting the paint as each type has its own particular application techiques and of course cost is a big thing. Practice with the gun on a seperate piece of tin, old drum, implement similar to the tractor. Dont try to put all the paint on one place at a time, just keep moving around the tractor with light coates and don't mix all the paint at once, a gun cup at a time is plenty. Run some paint thinner, kerosene, etc. thru the gun to get a feel for the pattern and what each adjustment on the gun will do. Now you say u have a big compressor and one thing that usually get in the way of a good paint job is water in the air cauled by heat from the comprssor. Well dryers are usually a good thing but not really necessary if you ave a bunce of reserve air. Run the compressor up untill it cuts off and then turn off the power to the compressor. This tank is probably going to be enougn to paint the tractor and it will not be heated by compressor running. This is also somethig that you can check while paying with the kero. in the gun for practice. A sheet of wet-n-dry sandpaper and a bucket of water will go a long way getting the sheet metal slick. Have fun and make sure it ain't pink when you quit. If it ain't shiney the first time around just tell everyone that is color primed.

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dave

08-01-2004 07:17:57




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to dave, 08-01-2004 07:10:50  
btw the paint guns are 2 craftsman with the cup under and one plastic one with cup over gun.1 each brand new



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rustyfarmall

08-01-2004 08:05:20




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to dave, 08-01-2004 07:17:57  
Dave, do it the easy way, get the paint from your Case-IH dealer. A couple of quarts and a good quality brush for the rough cast-iron parts, and a few aerosol cans for the sheet metal. This very good quality paint, and will produce a nice gloss. With just a little practice on some pieces that won't matter you will be getting near professional results at a small fraction of the cost. The best part of the spray cans is, when you are done, there virtually is no clean-up.

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David B

08-01-2004 11:44:33




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to rustyfarmall, 08-01-2004 08:05:20  
I would stay away from spray paint- it tends to go orange if it is exposed to sunlight. The IH paint is good paint though, but I always have it get dull. Depends on what you are using the tractor for, budget, and what makes you happy.



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rustyfarmall

08-01-2004 13:45:32




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to David B, 08-01-2004 11:44:33  
third party image

This was done 3 years ago using Case-IH 2150 aerosol cans. It is just as bright today as as when it was first done, even shows the reflection from the camera flash.



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rustyfarmall

08-01-2004 13:47:41




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to rustyfarmall, 08-01-2004 13:45:32  
Apparently this feature is not working. Go to tractor photos, and search for 1940 Farmall H.



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David B

08-01-2004 14:25:21




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to rustyfarmall, 08-01-2004 13:47:41  
Just posting my experiances. Sorry for sharing



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gauger

08-01-2004 18:52:50




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to David B, 08-01-2004 14:25:21  
I know what you mean, I like 2150 but have had some "orange" experiences with the spray bombs. I've also had some cans that were orangeish? right out of the can.



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rustyfarmall

08-01-2004 16:36:07




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 Re: painting for idiots in reply to David B, 08-01-2004 14:25:21  
And I am just relating my experiences, we are all entitled to our opinions, thats what makes this board interesting. I did not mean to say you were wrong.



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