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Kevin

08-25-2004 11:59:26




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Well today when i shut down my H after some hard work, it seemed like it wanted to run more. I turned down the throttle and pushed in the magneto button, she died like its supose to, then put..put..put..... ..put..put...put. What could have cuased it to do this after i killed it? It never did before and the only changes was i put on a straight pipe.




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Pete L

08-25-2004 17:15:39




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 Re: H hesitation to shut down in reply to Kevin, 08-25-2004 11:59:26  
Any engine that is shut down hot, and at a high speed, is not good for it. True.....only the spark is cut to turn off the engine, but besides the opportunity for dieseling, turning it off at a high RPM brings in more cycles of air and gasoline prior to the stoppage of movement that have a tendency to wash the oil from the cylinders. I laugh at the folks that still goose the throttle on their cars with the thought that "it gives a little more oil in the cylinders before it shuts off". Poppycock! They're actually doing more harm than good. Having experience in maintaining tugboat engines, we always throttled back the engines to allow them to cool for a minute or two, then stopped them at minimal RPM's. The Farmall tractor that we used to have at my dad's hunting camp years ago was shut down purely with the spark for the winter. Several times, when we went to start it in the spring or 2 years later, the engine would be slightly stuck. Since then, prior to a long term storage, I shut off the gas and let the engine starve it self off. Haven't had an issue since. My 3 cents worth (adjusted for inflation)

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Kevin

08-25-2004 14:29:57




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 I think i solved the problem in reply to Kevin, 08-25-2004 11:59:26  
Well i went out and ran it a little more, i noticed the spark plug in cylender #2 was really loose. It was moving all over the place when running, i tightend it up and i no longer have the problem. Why would a loose plug cuase that and could it have done any internal damage?



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Ebbsspeed

08-25-2004 15:25:56




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 Re: I think i solved the problem in reply to Kevin, 08-25-2004 14:29:57  
The reason a loose spark plug will do that is that it can't dissipate enough heat through the threads to the head, and as a result gets very hot, to the point where the side or center electrode may be close to glowing. As a result you are running on that one cylinder due to dieseling. Tightening it up puts the plug in better contact with the head where it can dissipate the heat and runs much cooler. Straight pipe has nothing to do with it the dieseling, and will only warp valves if it is extremely short, or you pour water down it.

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Allan in NE

08-25-2004 12:39:46




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 Re: H hesitation to shut down in reply to Kevin, 08-25-2004 11:59:26  
Kevin,

Just to add a note to what Cap has already mentioned, be sure that idle is properly set down low where it belongs.

If the throttle plate is set too far open at idle, even tho you have pushed your hand throttle back, it could still be getting too much fuel adding to that dieseling problem.

Hope this helps some,

Allan



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captank

08-25-2004 12:13:13




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 Re: H hesitation to shut down in reply to Kevin, 08-25-2004 11:59:26  
More than likely, the good hard workout that you gave it got some carbon in one or more cylinders hot enough to ignite the fuel that was coming into the engine during shut-down. Remember, the only think you do when you turn the engine off is to stop the electric spark to the spark plugs. Fuel and compression are still present (even with the throttle shut) and if there is another source of ignition (like hot carbon) in the cylinder it will ignite the gasoline vapors still being pulled into the combustion chamber, which is sometimes called “dieseling” (since no spark is used to ignite the fuel) causing what you describe. I would suggest that when this happens, you turn the engine back on and let it idle and cool off for a couple more minutes and then shut it down.

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Novel Idea Guy

08-25-2004 12:36:47




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 Re: H hesitation to shut down in reply to captank, 08-25-2004 12:13:13  
Could it have anything to do with the fact that he put a STRAIGHT PIPE on it?

I don"t remember the specifics, but doesn"t that do something to the backpressure in the exhaust manifold, which in turn affects the way the tractor runs? Don"t you stand a much greater chance of burning the valves with a straight pipe because the combustion temperatures are hotter?



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Allan in NE

08-25-2004 12:43:51




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 Re: H hesitation to shut down in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 08-25-2004 12:36:47  
NIG,

It isn't that the combustion temps are higher, it is that the straight pipe gives the cooler outside air more of a straight shot into that combustion area where an exhaust valve may be hanging open.

Red hot valve with no support hit by a blast of cold air under certain conditions equals a warped valve. Rare, but it could happen.

Is this the part you meant?

Allan



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