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Noise in the rear axle of Super A

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MWireman

09-05-2004 18:44:18




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Evening everyone!
I just recently took possesion of the family 54 Super A. Runs Great, however, my father-in-law had told me many years ago that 2nd gear was shot. Now that I plan on restoring the old girl, I believe the noise is coming from the rear alxle. All other gears/axle run quiet. I have looked at the gears in the gear box and don"t really see anything amiss.
Could it be the gear or something in the axle? I did notice a lot of grease covered w/dirt on the rear left side of the bull housing.
Any comments would be appreciated along with solutions.

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MWireman

09-06-2004 15:35:03




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 Re: Noise in the rear axle of Super A in reply to MWireman, 09-05-2004 18:44:18  
Thanks guys for all the valuable advice. It will be this coming weekend before I will be able to check everything out. We are getting all the rain from "Frances" in NC.



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lee

09-05-2004 19:37:01




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 Re: Noise in the rear axle of Super A in reply to MWireman, 09-05-2004 18:44:18  
your post is confusing as you say "all other gears/axle are quiet" are you saying you hear the noise only in 2nd?



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MWireman

09-06-2004 04:46:17




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 Re: Noise in the rear axle of Super A in reply to lee, 09-05-2004 19:37:01  
Lee, that"s correct. I only hear the noise while in second gear.



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lee

09-06-2004 08:24:29




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 Re: Noise in the rear axle of Super A in reply to MWireman, 09-06-2004 04:46:17  
keep second gear in mind but also keep in mind
the clatter can resonate at different speeds so the speed associated with second may be a factor more than the fact it is in second. The gears themselves can be a factor even though they appear good. If you can pop the trans top, drain the trans lube, look for metal in the lube, you will almost always find some, look for bigger pieces, wash the whole thing down with diiesel and/or kerosene then some gasoline to get things real clean you can then get a good look at the gear teeth and mesh patterns, a cheap inspection magnifyer scope may work to get a better look. Layout die can be applied to the gear teeth to bring out the pattern. You can look at the bearings Hugh suggested and you may want to look into the outer bearing on the bull pinion drive axle also. Other bearings are more difficult to evaluate ie., the differential carrier bearings, the transmission drive and counter shaft bearings. The position of the second gear set on these transmission shafts may be a factor if one of the trans shaft bearings is defective. Happy hunting. This one may be elusive.

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Hugh MacKay

09-05-2004 19:05:43




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 Re: Noise in the rear axle of Super A in reply to MWireman, 09-05-2004 18:44:18  
M Wireman: The seal and possibly bearings in that wheel could be loose. Jack the rear of tractor and watch for movement between housing and axle as it clears the ground. Also check the oil level in that final drive. There is a plug about 1-1/4" on inner side of final drive, between the front hitch mounting bolts, takes the male end of a 1/2" drive socket handle to remove it. The oil should be filled to that level.

These should not go unattended as when they get loose enough gears will ride each other and break the casting.

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MWireman

09-06-2004 04:49:04




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 Re: Noise in the rear axle of Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-05-2004 19:05:43  
Thanks Hugh, I'll check on the oil level. Is there a specific oil that you'd recommed?



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Hugh MacKay

09-06-2004 07:29:45




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 Re: Noise in the rear axle of Super A in reply to MWireman, 09-06-2004 04:49:04  
M Wireman: Use gear oil 90 or heavier. If this SA is new to you or not been used much in awhile, jack both sides individually and watch for movement between axle and final drive. As another guy suggested don't over look that 2nd gear idea. You could have chip off a tooth on the bottom shaft you can't readily see. Power train noises can be quite decieving, as they can follow the powertrain.

A good way to find these is if you can securely block rear wheels, start the tractor, and with it in gear, go over it with a stethoscope. Another item that works well is a hardwood broom, hoe, etc. handle, sawed off on both ends. Hold one end to your ear and place other end on tractor, at different locations. Amazing what noises you can zero in on. I often do this with my tractors, and will pick up on noises you never hear under normal operation.

Be sure to block the tractor well, and just use lower throttle speeds. Good idea to hook a chain to drawbar and around a big tree. If anything goes wrong with blocking, etc. tree will kill the engine.

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lee

09-06-2004 07:55:29




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 Re: Noise in the rear axle of Super A in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-06-2004 07:29:45  
I would just like to second the motion to be VERY CAREFUL running the machine on blocks. The wheels are quite heavy, especially if weighted, imbalance, bent rims, loaded tires can offer up surprises.



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