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IH 560 D seems stuck in gear

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minniemolineman

09-09-2004 22:11:13

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I drove my 560 D into the shed one day and turned it off-everything normal. Next time I went to start it the tractor tried to move when I engaged the starter. I thought it was in gear but the lever was in neutral position. I moved the lever around and it seems to go in all the gears OK and feels normal. The clutch pedal also feels normal. In neutral tractor has always started without pushing in clutch. What gives??

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minnimolineman

10-23-2004 13:48:23

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minniemolineman, 09-09-2004 22:11:13

I just wanted to thank all you guys for the help getting my 560 D freed up. It was stuck in gear as per the posts. I took out the 3 screws and pulled out the shift lever. Sure enough, the square nothces were not alligned. Lined em all up , reinstalled the shifter and everything works fine now. You guys were a big help and saved me $$ since I didn't need to take it in. ---Thanks

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Chris Brown

09-10-2004 18:52:28

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minniemolineman, 09-09-2004 22:11:13

I got in on this discussion a little late, but my old 560 will lock in 2nd gear if someone tries to shift from 2nd to neutral while standing on the ground,it shifts fine if you're on the tractor,something about a worn out shifter and pulling on it from an odd angle. Ocasionally I can wiggle the shifter back into 2nd gear and get it right,but usually I have to pull the shifter cap off and use a long screw driver to line up the shift rails. I usually don't have any trouble till someone else drives the tractor,someone who does'nt know just how to shift it right.

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minnimolineman

09-10-2004 05:58:01

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minniemolineman, 09-09-2004 22:11:13

Thanks guys for all your help, suggestions, experience. I have decided to take of the belt pulley gearbox hatch plate and also pull the lever out from the top of the transmission and see if all the slots are alligned. I will let you know the outcome in about a week when I can get to it.

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Bill46

09-10-2004 05:26:26

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minniemolineman, 09-09-2004 22:11:13

I just went thru exactly the same thing with my 450D. I had her in a bind holding the brakes and tried to shift from reverse to neutral. The binding of the brakes along with being on a hill had the reverse gear in a bind so it would not shift easily.
The other posts are correct about aligning the sliders...but I cheated. I shoved in on the clutch and had a friend pull me off the hill with the shift lever in the gear that locked up. That kept the other gears from locking up. Then I took the cotter key holding the spring and cover out so I could slide the cover up. I then took the swivel pin out of the shift lever and pulled it out of the socket.
Then, using a long screw driver I aligned the shifter slots. Look close, you have to get all 6. The one that is stuck will be hard to see. I kept trying until I could roll the tractor by hand. I then put her all back together and she was fine. Now I am more careful when I shift her.
Hope this helps...

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Jimmy King

09-10-2004 04:04:45

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minniemolineman, 09-09-2004 22:11:13

Take the three bolts out and lift the shifter out and see if the slots are all lined up. If not take a pry bar and line them up. Make sure they are in neutral.

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tompepper

09-10-2004 04:04:22

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minniemolineman, 09-09-2004 22:11:13

My M does the same thing.U put the shifter in high gear and my dad and I take hold of the whells and rock the tractor back and forth.this pops it loose.we found that the bendix on the starter was stickin and binding with the fly wheel.we're going to have to replace the ring on the fly wheel

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Hugh MacKay

09-09-2004 22:40:19

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minniemolineman, 09-09-2004 22:11:13

How are your clutch and TA adjustments?

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Allan in NE

09-10-2004 04:04:55

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-09-2004 22:40:19

Hi Hugh,

Don't know about such things, but could this be one of those "clutch plate rusted to the flywheel" things I read about here?

Seems odd to me that it was just fine when he parked it and now it wants to move when he bumps the starter button.

Allan

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minnimolineman

09-09-2004 23:04:58

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-09-2004 22:40:19

They are OK as far as I know, never had any problem. Everything was operating normal when I parked it. It only sat for a month before I tried to start it. Even if the pressure plate was stuck somehow and the mainshaft rotating, the transmission in neutral should have prevented movement right? Like putting truck in neutral at a stoplight and letting out clutch to prevent wear on thow out bearing. I just can't figure how it's transmitting driving power to the axles. I have not forced the shift lever or anything to where the shifting forks got damaged.

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Hugh MacKay

09-10-2004 07:52:30

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minnimolineman, 09-09-2004 23:04:58

mmman: If you want to see how the sliders are lining up, remove the 3 - 3/8 bolts that hold the gear shift lever pedestal, will give you good view of sliders as well as seeing if end of shift lever is worn. The shift lever end should be a rectangle that just nicely fills the notch in one slider, should be slightly rounded on corners. I like to rebuild them a bit over size and grind until transmission shifts smoothly.

Just looking at Allan's post, one question. Does this also happen in neutral? One also has to think of pilot bearing, clutch disc, presure plate, etc. Another item, these tractors are starting to get some real age on them compared to when I owned one. The transmission drive shaft runs inside the Independant PTO drive shaft. Could the PTO drive be turning the transmission in put shaft. I've never seen it but it is something to think about.

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RN

09-10-2004 00:05:08

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minnimolineman, 09-09-2004 23:04:58

560 IHC transmissions basicly same as M, 400- old age on shifter can wear enough slop to allow gear to engage or shifter rod end to slip out of sliding fork. second posible is worn shifter fork, third is double gear engagement- locks trans.. Lift top off trans, disengage gears, realign shift fork to engage shift lever, set top back. F20 and M can be accessed trhough belt pulley plate. Might want to braze a little extra metal to bottom of shift rod to reduce slop. Brothers have done this on ACs gear shift levers also. RN

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minnimolineman

09-10-2004 00:30:23

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to RN, 09-10-2004 00:05:08

Thanks RN. If the shifting forks had jumped the sliders, would the shift lever not be sloppy and unable to engage all the gears?? It feels like it's sliding stuff into place normally and I can even feel the detents that keep it in position. I do not have a belt pulley gearbox on this one. If I take the plate off, will I be able to see the shifing forks through the opening to see if everythings in place? Is the "stuck in two gears" scenario one that can only happen if the lever is out of place or the forks not aligned with the gears??

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RN

09-10-2004 04:20:42

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Re: IH 560 D seems stuck in gear in reply to minnimolineman, 09-10-2004 00:30:23

Two gears engaged happens rarely- badly worn sloppy levers and forks causes this when shifting gears-stays in one gear partially and partial engages another -shift lever usually then has hopped out of slider slots, tranny locks. Check pulley plate for full access?-not sure on 560 if enough room to work lever back in, M gears can be slipped back/forth with bar but shift lever needs top cover off to reset. Side plate off should give fair view of shift misalignment/wear. RN

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