Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Farmall & IHC Tractors Discussion Forum
:

Too Cold Carburator

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Jerry in MI

09-16-2004 11:26:48




Report to Moderator

I am trying to decide options before winter comes for snow moving time. I have a 300U that I had to tear the carb apart and rebuild several times last winter. I used it recently and saw condensation on the carb, felt it and found it was COLD. That's ok now in 80 degrees, but what can I do to prevent freeze up this winter.
Jacket the engine compartment?
Confab a pre-heat hose to the carb?
Replace the carb? (it seems to be functioning fine)
Other options?

Thanks, Jerry

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Randy SE-MN

09-17-2004 05:39:17




Report to Moderator
 Re: Too Cold Carburator in reply to Jerry in MI, 09-16-2004 11:26:48  
Jerry: I use my "47 M as my loader tractor, especially for snow. There is nothing worse than having the old gal start to buck and jump when carb icing occurs. I fixed my problem in 2 hours. I got two large coffee cans, some 2 inch flexible heated air intake tubing at Napa, and 6 inches of 2 inch exhaust pipe. I cut the pipe in half, used a hole drill to drill a 2 inch hole in each coffee can and soldered one three inch exhaust pipe to each, I then used a 2 and a half inch hole drill to drill a hole in the center of the bottom of one coffee can and slid it down the stack of the muffler. the open end of the can seats very well against the top of the wide portion of the muffler. I hole-drilled three one inch holes on the sie of the can for air to get to the intake. (This air takes heat from the top of the muffler and stack and goes through the system to keep the carb warm). The other can I drilled a hole in and slid it down the intake pipe. Now here is the catch that makes it work there...I used the mushroom air cleaner ( it fits int the coffee can wonderfully) So...Slide on the coffee can, then the mushroom air cleaner the the original plastic lid of the coffee can. (it just rests on top of the mushroom) Then take the flexible heated air intake tubing and slide it on the exhaust pipe previously soldered to each can. I really works well, very low investment, and 2 to 2 and a half hours to do. Hope this helps!!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bob M

09-16-2004 12:02:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: Too Cold Carburator in reply to Jerry in MI, 09-16-2004 11:26:48  
Jerry - By it’s very nature the air passing thru a carburetor becomes colder. Under certain conditions of temperature/humidity condensation or frost will form on both the exterior and interior carb surfaces. This is normal. However when frost builds up in the venturi area it causes runability problems as you have found.

Over many years of pushing snow here’s things I’ve found that help:

Make sure your thermostat is working. Use the highest temp t’stat you can find - 180 deg is good.

Use a winter front to cover the radiator in cool weather. The causes a slow flow of warm air to pass back over and warm carburetor instead of the hard, cold blast from an uncovered radiator. Don’t have a winter front? Simply flatten a feed bag and use it to cover 80% - 90% of the radiator opening!

When starting up open the choke as quickly as possible. (Running with the choke partially closed encourages icing.)

Minimize engine idle time. Either load the engine or shut it off!

Add a bottle or two of drygas each time you refill the gas tank.

In extreme cases (light load, high humidity and temperature between 35 and 50 deg), running a hose from to pick up hot air from around the exhaust manifold and feed it to the air cleaner will eliminate icing.

Good luck - I have a feeling we're gonna have a lotta snow to push again this winter!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Ted D

09-16-2004 12:38:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: Too Cold Carburator in reply to Bob M, 09-16-2004 12:02:23  
Bob, I have never been able to say that you wrote somthing wrong. But, I hope the snow thing is wrong.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bob M

09-16-2004 12:49:00




Report to Moderator
 Re: Too Cold Carburator in reply to Ted D, 09-16-2004 12:38:42  
I hear you Ted...I hope you are right!

However if the coming winter is anything like the poor excuse we had for "summer" here this year, there'll be mountains of snow again this winter. I'm already starting to think about mounting the snowblades and bull chains...(groan!)



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
George Willer

09-16-2004 11:34:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: Too Cold Carburator in reply to Jerry in MI, 09-16-2004 11:26:48  
Jerry,

Your carburetor is working normally. That's just what they do. The evaporation of fuel, as it should do, is an excellent refrigerator. In aircraft, there is a muff around the exhaust to selectively get warm air to the carburetor to prevent icing at critical times, like landing, but it is done at the expense of power and efficiency.

George Willer



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
lee

09-16-2004 11:45:55




Report to Moderator
 Re: Too Cold Carburator in reply to George Willer, 09-16-2004 11:34:58  
George is correct about the evap of fuel but also there is a drop in air temperture caused by expansion as the air exits the throat of the carb venturi. You may have noticed a similar thing happen when you use a metalic compressed air blow-off gun. The gun will become cold as you use it.
This is caused by the air expanding inside the gun
at the valve.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy