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bcrosehill

10-24-2004 14:37:46




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How do you tell the difference between a C-113 and a C-123 engine? What parts are not able to be used on both?




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Hugh MacKay

10-24-2004 19:17:45




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 Re: Super A engine size in reply to bcrosehill, 10-24-2004 14:37:46  
bcrosehill: All Super A prior to serial number 310300 had the C-113 engine. All Super A between serial number 310300 and 356001 had the C-123 block with thicker sleeves giving it still 113 cubic inches. All Super A after serial number 356001 had the C-123 engine complete with water pump.

I am certain all Super A after serial number 310300 can be equiped with 3-1/8 bore sleeves and pistons to give the engine 123 cubic inches. It is my understanding all tractors prior to serial number can be equiped with 3-1/8 bore sleeves and pistons as well. I am not certain of this last statment. I am certain all Super A engines can be equiped with a water pump.

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Stan(VA).

10-25-2004 14:25:04




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 Re: Super A engine size in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-24-2004 19:17:45  
Hugh,
If it helps, your 2nd paragraph describes the factory configuration for the blocks; then your question on the statement of 3-1/8" sleeves for the early ones introduces a new topic of what's commonly available today through the aftermarket engine kits.

Today's aftermarket kits are either 3-1/8" overbore (meaning thinner sleeve, larger piston) kits, or 3-1/4" overbore kits. The 3-1/8" kits are for the A/B/C/early Super A (before SN 310300) tractors that originally had 3" bore, as well as the 130/140/230/240 blocks that came with thinner sleeves from the factory. The 3-1/4" kits are for the Super C/late Super A (310300 and later)/100/200 tractors. The one exception is a group of 500 C tractors during the demo program in 1950 that had special blocks, they should also use the 3-1/4" kits.

Of course this all assumes the factory block is still on the tractor, which can't be assumed after 50-60 years. With minor exceptions (A/B blocks w/o provision for hyd pump; and x40 series blocks with different water pump arrangement) these blocks can be (and many have been) interchanged quite easily. Which is why we keep repeating for people to pull a sleeve and measure the O-ring sealing OD (3-5/16" vs 3-7/16") before ordering any parts.

Paul,
only the later C-123's were cast with the C-123 ID in the block (after Super A/Super C's) since the same block was used for two different sized engines as Hugh noted above.
Stan(VA).

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El Toro

10-24-2004 16:51:50




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 Re: Super A engine size in reply to bcrosehill, 10-24-2004 14:37:46  
The Super Farmall A had the C113 cid engine. It could've been rebuilt with an updated oversize
sleeve & piston kit to make it 123cid. I did that on an A when I restored it.

The Super C tractor was the tractor that came with the C123 engine. The C had the 113 engine
too. The Super C had the water pump and the A,B and C had thermo-siphoning. Hope this helps, Hal



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Paul in Mich

10-24-2004 15:56:43




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 Re: Super A engine size in reply to bcrosehill, 10-24-2004 14:37:46  
The C-123 engine should have C-123 embossed in the casting. It is different in the way it accepts the hydraulic pump.



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