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hydraulics on a M

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Dale in denver

11-16-2004 18:37:25




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Hi guys Can you tell me which would be better to run a F 11 loader on a M, Live pump off the distributor, PTO pump or belly pump? Is the live pump off the distributor slow. Thanks dale




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captaink

11-16-2004 20:56:30




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 Re: hydraulics on a M in reply to Dale in denver, 11-16-2004 18:37:25  
I have had a live pump on my M in front of the distributor since the mid 1960’s. (See the parts & pieces section under 1950 M for pictures.) I have had a DuAll loader on it the whole time. Allen is right, the pump will make the engine pull down under certain conditions. My dad had to replace the camshaft gear during the winter of 1968-1969 which was a record setter here for snow (somewhere around 100 inches). Since then, I have had no trouble with either the pump or the gears. My pump is a little slow at times, which I blame on the quick couplers I have installed to switch between the supply tank on the loader and the one where the belly pump used to be. I would never, I repeat NEVER go back to a PTO pump unless I was to take the wheels off the tractor and make it a stationary elevator!

My nickels worth…

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Allan in NE

11-17-2004 05:14:58




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 Re: hydraulics on a M in reply to captaink, 11-16-2004 20:56:30  
Mornin' Lynn,

Maybe it is just my somewhat advanced age, I dunno. But, this whole process has taught me one thing, I'll never have another old tractor that doesn't have power steering.

I had forgotten how tough they really were to steer while loaded. :>)

Allan



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captaink

11-17-2004 06:14:10




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 Re: hydraulics on a M in reply to Allan in NE, 11-17-2004 05:14:58  
Ever run a mounted picker on a stock M? Yeah, power steering was invented for that too! :>) I only did for one season then bought a 560D and put it on that. I'm finally getting the feeling back in my arms after all these years! LOL



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Allan in NE

11-17-2004 06:31:11




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 Re: hydraulics on a M in reply to captaink, 11-17-2004 06:14:10  
Yes Sir,

I can relate. We used a 227 JD two row wide mounted on an old 50 JD.

Worked that tractor and the operator to death, but got the corn picked. :>)

Hardest part was mounting and takin' off the picker!

Allan



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captaink

11-17-2004 06:34:10




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 Re: hydraulics on a M in reply to Allan in NE, 11-17-2004 06:31:11  
JD 227 then 237 on my M. Yup, mounting/dismounting was a chore, but at least I could keep the silly picker on the row without getting a kink in my neck!



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Alvin Dick

11-16-2004 19:08:24




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 Re: hydraulics on a M in reply to Dale in denver, 11-16-2004 18:37:25  
The M&W live pump ahead of the distributer is the way to go. It is not slow and works much better than the old belly pump. We have used one for years without any trouble.



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Allan in NE

11-16-2004 19:05:54




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 Re: hydraulics on a M in reply to Dale in denver, 11-16-2004 18:37:25  
Hi Dale,

That loader was designed to use the PTO pump on your M, but I just got thru changing mine over to the distributor pump. The PTO pump is really the best, but it is not "live".

Also, I just don't think that belly pump has enough snort for a loader that size and besides, it is not live either.

The distributor pump is only a 10gpm pump, but you won't notice a nickel's worth of difference between it and the PTO pump unless you have Power Steering.

If you do have power steering, you have to devote around 3 gpm to the steering alone and it does slow down that loader just a bit; but, having the loader being live sure is nice.

I've learned to live with the slightly slower loader because those old tractors are a bear to steer with a heavy load. Heck, they are a bear to steer with just the loader hangin' out there on the front.

One more thing. I notice that if I hit the end of a loader stroke and also bump up against the steering stop at the same time, the distributor pump 'dead heads'.

It makes the old tractor grunt and I'm wondering if if is doing the pump and/or tractor timing gears any good when this happens.

If you don't have power steering, I'd sure go with the distributor pump vs the PTO pump, even tho it is just a little smaller in capacity.

Hope this helps,

Allan

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dale in denver

11-18-2004 07:16:35




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 Re: hydraulics on a M in reply to Allan in NE, 11-16-2004 19:05:54  
Thanks, sounds like a distributor pump is the way to go, do you think I'll have trouble finding a pump to bolt up to a 1944 model before the snow gets too deep ?
dale



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