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Allan in NE

11-23-2004 05:57:26




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Hi Guys,

Anyone know why IH went to the wedge locks on the 1066 and higher tractors?

Just wondering,

Allan




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Hugh MacKay

11-23-2004 16:03:09




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 Re: Wedge Locks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-23-2004 05:57:26  
Allan: Well, we are seeing who read the manual and who didn't. IH wedge locks should be tightened to 500 ft. lbs. 100 lb pull on that 5 foot wrench handle that came with tractor. They didn't come loose if properly tightened. I doubt if the hammer guys got them loose with a hammer if properly tightened. I know of several of these tractors that never had a loose wheel in 20,000 hours, and with duals.

Just when wedge locks were introduced I'm not sure. All of the 856's around here have them. I'm guessing in 66 and 86 all 9s and larger have them around here. I think they were standard over 100 hp and optional below.

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Allan in NE

11-23-2004 17:11:13




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 Re: Wedge Locks in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-23-2004 16:03:09  
Hugh,

Yes Sir, I always used that cheater both while loosening and tightening too. That's a lot of iron to tie down.

And, the way that the axle is designed with that large "key" shape, it is just hard for me to imagine them snapping the bolts if they were tightened down right originally because proper torque should almost make the wheel/axle one assembly.

The thing that sparked my curiosity was this '76 966 that I bought. It has the same old 'clamp' type axles and no sign of any wedge at all.

Thanks,

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

11-23-2004 22:13:07




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 Re: Wedge Locks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-23-2004 17:11:13  
Allan: I think this depended on dealer experience, whether tractors under 100 hp got wedge locks. As I said around here 856s all have wedge locks. I have been in areas where that was not the case. My thinking is if enough guys were breaking the clamp wheel, dealer would act accordingly.

Most of the clamp wheels that broke also broke because they were loose. My dad broke one on new 300 second day he had it.

On reading the manual here is another item you never hear mentioned at YT. I forget the exact wording but 1066 with duals was not to be used for max drawbar pull, the 2 or 3 lowest gears. I may not have that worded correctly, but you get the drift.

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Aces

11-23-2004 12:50:05




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 Re: Wedge Locks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-23-2004 05:57:26  
superm is right the old clamps will not hold the horse power. The reason the wedge locks come loose is because they were not tight enough the first time.



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Novel Idea Guy

11-23-2004 09:49:59




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 Re: Wedge Locks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-23-2004 05:57:26  
???

IH had wedge lock wheels starting with the 06 series, if I'm not mistaken. They didn't start using them on the 1066 tractors.

Now, if you're asking why they used them on the higher-horsepower tractors AT ALL, that's a good question. We've had nothing but trouble with the wedgelocks on the 1066. About once a year, we've had to jack the tractor up and slide the wheels back in. The wedges just suck right in until they're almost touching when you tighten them. Dad's tried building them up several times with the welder, and it didn't help. Last year, he pulled the wedges right out again, and wrapped the keyed side of the axle with thin sheet steel as a shim. Now the wedge locks tighten down long before they touch, and I don't think the wheels moved at all this year.

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captaink

11-23-2004 07:51:59




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 Re: Wedge Locks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-23-2004 05:57:26  
supermpuller has a good point. I was pulling a 5-14 plow in some tough going soil (Low 2nd) one time and broke the bolts holding the clamps on my 966. Not a good deal, almost wrecked the wheel before I cought what had happened.

I had a 1486 with the wedgies. After I rebuilt the rear end, I had some issues with them coming loose when I dualed her up. A 1" impact on the wedge bolt took care of that and they never came loose again.

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supermpuller

11-23-2004 07:28:56




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 Re: Wedge Locks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-23-2004 05:57:26  
IH tractors kept breaking wedge bolts on higher hp tractors, on a 806 with duals if you let the TA. go under a load you would snap the bolts off the older style wedge, they were fine on a M but couldn't handle high HP.



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