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Allan in NE

12-03-2004 15:11:52




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Need your thoughts,

Went in to check on how my 966 O/H was coming along.

The engine had antifreeze in the oil and the guys tell me that this is not only hard on the bearings (which were whipped), but also it is hard on the injection pump. Although the pump is working fine now, it could fail in the near furture, or then again, it might not.

They said that they just want me to be aware of it.

Okay, I tell 'em to put one on. They say no, why do it now? It is working perfectly the way it is, but the potential is certainly there.

Should I just tell 'em to plant a new pump on 'er anyway, while they got it in there?

Allan

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TGIN

12-04-2004 04:23:31




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Allan in NE, 12-03-2004 15:11:52  
I bought a 706 - 310D with water in the oil and rebuilt the engine . I never touched the pump and it is still going strong , thats been about 5-6 yrs. ago .



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Ron in Nebr

12-03-2004 22:59:01




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Allan in NE, 12-03-2004 15:11:52  
Hi Allan, I've always been the "don't fix it if it ain't broke, and when it breaks see if you can patch it together for a little longer" type of guy, at least when it comes to my own stuff. But it boils down to what you're gonna be using this tractor for. I know you're planning on getting a livestock operation going at some point, and if this tractor will be used for things that are critical that they get done in a timely fashion, like getting hay baled before it gets rained on or the cows fed so they don't starve, etc., then a new pump now might be a good insurance policy. However, you do have a backup tractor I believe that should handle most of the same jobs, so it isn't like you'd be left high and dry if/when this pump decides to give up the ghost. Myself, I'd run it as is for now, and keep good tabs on the closest location of a replacement pump should it become neccessary. Also, I've always heard that antifreeze is hard on the materials that engine bearings are made of, but I'd think most of the critical parts in the pump run on roller bearings and better-grade steel, so it's possible that the antifreeze didn't hurt the pump as bad as it did the engine bearings. If you keep this pump, it might not be a bad idea, after you run it for awhile, to send an oil sample off for analysis to see if there's any more sign of unusual wear going on.

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John A.

12-03-2004 20:27:47




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Allan in NE, 12-03-2004 15:11:52  
Allan, I know that this story isn't about an IH product, but the same still applys. My Brother-in-law was pullin corn in the High Texas panhandle a month ago, Has 2 JD 9600 combines. H20 pump shelled out on one, I mean the backend dumped H20/antifreeze into the crankcase.
Drained and flushed the crankcase. Replaced the H20 pump& put in fresh H20/antifreese..... 2hrs later that engine locked up while unloading,still has half a tank of corn in the bin.
So I vote, Get another pump. Unless a repitable DSL shop can rebuild it with warrenity.
My $.02
Later,
John A.

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caseyc

12-03-2004 20:22:36




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Allan in NE, 12-03-2004 15:11:52  
boy i don"t know allen. i agree with every point given here. i guess if it was my own rig and having all that work done i would do the pump right along with everything else so i knew it was GOOD. when my 766 goes in for a overhaul soon i"m gonna have the pump gone through just too be sure. the local diesel shop says if the pump is working it"ll cost about 400 to freshen it up. if it goes to hell while in the field it could cost up to 1500 depending on what goes. cheap insurance if you ask me.

casey

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TP from Central PA

12-03-2004 17:09:20




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Allan in NE, 12-03-2004 15:11:52  
Must be different water out there..... .....If a dealer said something like that here they"d be laughed out of the state. Everyone is so cheap in this state that thought would never even cross there mind.

And if it did fail, they"d still have to think long and hard whether to rebuild it or not(Grin).

Because I consume this tainted PA water, I say run it.



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green acres

12-03-2004 16:05:09




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Allan in NE, 12-03-2004 15:11:52  
When I overhaul my diesel"s I take them to the diesel pump shop and have them checked over, cheaper than a new one, don"t like downtime when you work in a factory by day and farm whenever... sign of the times... my 2 cents... good luck and happy farming



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RAS

12-03-2004 15:50:38




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Allan in NE, 12-03-2004 15:11:52  
Allan they are correct the fuel injection pump is pressure lubed from the engine. Now if it runs fine now look at how many hours you are going to put on it in a year 50, 100, this pump could last you 5 or 10 years. My question to you is why install a 900.00 injection pump if your's is still working fine. Trust me it will let you know when it needs to be replaced. That would be what I would tell one of my customers in my shop.

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Allan in NE

12-03-2004 17:11:22




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to RAS, 12-03-2004 15:50:38  
Ras,

Yes, I know. You're saying don't fix it if it isn't broke.

I was just trying to see how much life it has it it yet as a normal rule of thumb. The tractor has something like 4500 or 4600 original hours on it, if I remember right.

How long do these pumps usually go before they 'belly up' or is there no hard and fast set rule?

Thanks, still learnin' on the high hour units.

Allan



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Nebraska Cowman

12-03-2004 15:15:50




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Allan in NE, 12-03-2004 15:11:52  
It's your money but I'd probibly try the old one. When it fails you should be able to have it rebuilt. Automotive in McCook did mine last year for about $600



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Sloroll

12-03-2004 15:43:50




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 Re: Your Opinion in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-03-2004 15:15:50  
I agree.. unless I'm using it several hundred/thousand feet in the air. Let your $600 work for you while you can. Don't pay the vet until the horse gets sick. You know you got me wanting to get my 966 all dolled up.



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