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Re: 504 Background Info Wanted

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Hugh MacKay

12-07-2004 05:14:37




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Cowman: I think you are being rather generous with the souped up C idea. While the rear chassis is 300, 350, 460, the front end is little heavier than C, SC or 200. The gas engine is a disaster, not quite sure how they ever came up with 46 hp, as they will not hold a candle to a 300 or 350 in the field. I rather doubt the diesel will measure up to the M, SM, 400 or 450. On the long haul you just can't ignor those extra cubes.

Think about it; 300-169 cu in, 350-175 cu in, 460-236 cu in and M through 450 all above 248 cu in gas and diesel. 504 gas 153 cu in, diesel 188 cu in. No my friends you just can't get long term reliable power from high rpm's, it's got to come from cubic inches.

Just about every manufacturer has tried the high rpm route and most have been failures.

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TP from Central PA

12-07-2004 09:17:32




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 Re: 504 Background Info Wanted in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-07-2004 05:14:37  
We had a stock "M"(248) at the same time as the 504..... ....I know that the 504 would run with the "M". IMO a stock "M" is nothing to brag about. A 300 will run over one.

It just didn"t have the stroke like the 169 in the 300..... ..



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Sloroll

12-07-2004 05:39:07




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 Re: 504 Background Info Wanted in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-07-2004 05:14:37  
Well I do have a super C and the 504 will pull it out of its shoes. I have had an H too and find it much more akin to it. To be fair to the fellow asking the 504 question I still think I am correct comparing it (work wise) to a Super H with a TA I didn't go so far as the 300 although probably similar to my 300U... Turning up a small engine doesn't allow for the grunt lugging power of large displacement engines. It does not have an abundance of torque. Because of the size and styling it is easy to over estimate the 504 I think it is a nice tractor as long as you use it for the nitch machine it is. One more point on the 504 the hydrolics are noisy and it takes awhile to get used to that.

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Nebraska Cowman

12-07-2004 05:17:15




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 Re: 504 Background Info Wanted in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-07-2004 05:14:37  
just thinking from the engine size. the 504 used a C engine bored out. Right?



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Mike S 806/H

12-07-2004 14:45:32




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 Re: 504 Background Info Wanted in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-07-2004 05:17:15  
The 504 has the same bore and stroke as a Farmall H but alot more rpm"s. Power comes from the rpm"s and gear the pto down to get 46 hp. I have a 504 engine in a C and BN the BN on the dyno did 28hp but the pto was turning 950,



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Hugh MacKay

12-07-2004 05:30:10




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 Re: 504 Background Info Wanted in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-07-2004 05:17:15  
Cowman: Right.



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