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B Watson

12-13-2004 18:23:07




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Week two working on the "new" 300U, previous owner was something of a butcher. I musta taken the carb off five times before I figured out that the gas tank had about a half a cup of sand in it, the strainer was broke off inside the tank and sand was intermittently plugging the fuel petcock. couldn't figure out why the lift arms would lower when I disengaged the pto, the knuckle head had the pto handle hitting the lift arm handle.

Here's what puzzles me, even when not engaged the pto shaft is spinning like mad, though I can spin it relatively freely whan the tractor is not running is this OK or is something out of adjustment?

one other quick one, the service manual refers to two lengths of pitman arms, one a little over 6" the other over 9" I suppose this could save me much grief restling with the steering wheel if I can't get power steer. Suppose I can find the long pitman arms easier than power steering system?

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Ibby

12-14-2004 03:33:54




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 Re: 300U Info in reply to B Watson, 12-13-2004 18:23:07  
It sounds like your PTO bands need asjustment. It's a ticklish thing that needs to be done exactly by the book to work right.

Manual steering is never going to be easier than power steering, but going with the correct pitman arm lengths would likely make it as easy as it can get. I wouldn't mix or match parts. Use the ones that were designed for that system. Longer arms on the axle would turn easier, but you would loose turning radius.

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B Watson

12-14-2004 06:57:59




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 Re: 300U Info in reply to Ibby, 12-14-2004 03:33:54  
I think you're right about the steering, I'll keep looking for a power unit. As for the PTO bands, I read the manual and tried to follow it but it refers to "X" marks on the casing that are not there on this tractor, when they talk about the pto freewheeling only when the X marks line up I presume they mean in the disengaged position. I don't suppose a little experimentation will hurt anything.

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Unreserved dick

12-14-2004 09:39:40




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 Re: 300U Info in reply to B Watson, 12-14-2004 06:57:59  
IH made the modification to the steering knuckle after serial #26457. It included lengthing the steering gear arms at the gear box from 8-1/2" to 11" which might have maintained the original turning radius while making the steering work easier (you'd have to do some calculations or maybe a test to confirm this). Keeping everything well greased and fluid in the gear box helps a lot for either setup.

Glad to hear you got the manuals. I never could find the magic x marks for adjusting the PTO, either. I've fiddled with this adjustment quite a bit, and the best way I've found to do it is:

- turn the engine off,
- back the PTO brake band screw out until it isn't doing anything, - put the handle into the PTO-disengaged position,
- tighten the drive band adjustment screw until you get to the point where you can't turn the PTO shaft by hand anymore - then back it off just a bit more than enough so that you can turn the shaft by hand again,
- then tighten the brake adjustment band up until you can't turn the PTO shaft by hand,
- turn the engine on and tighten the brake adjustment band up some more (shouldn't be much more) until the PTO shaft stops turning; I adjust at low idle, and double-check at high idle.

Basic idea is to get the thing adjusted so that one band or the other, but not both, is gripping when the handle is at either extreme. Hope the above is helpful (it works for me). You want to be a bit careful doing this adjustment. If you get it to where both bands are gripping at the same time, they're going to wear out quickly (if you're lucky) or something is going to break (if you're not lucky). Good luck.

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jk

12-14-2004 16:02:35




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 Re: 300U Info in reply to Unreserved dick, 12-14-2004 09:39:40  
dick
will this procedure work for a 460 utiltiy? i adjusted it wrong, i thought it was right, but when i started to drive to the work site with the PTO off, the tractor bogged way down and died, and the PTO houseing was too hot to touch. it turns out the PTO lever was warn out, the lever would move to both extremes but would not engage the PTO (the lever just moved on the shaft) so i got the lever fixed but i'm kinda leary about re-adjusting the PTO bands. thanks

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Unreserved dick

12-14-2004 17:59:25




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 Re: 300U Info in reply to jk, 12-14-2004 16:02:35  
Guess you're kind of the poster child for what can happen if you get the adjustment wrong. Hope you get it working again soon.

As far as I know the IPTO used on the 460U was basically the same as on the 300U/350U (it was one of the next models in the IH progression). Since you know you've got bands, I'm almost sure of it. But I don't know for sure. You might try an email to Guy Fay or Hugh MacKay to get a good opinion.

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B Watson

12-14-2004 15:45:16




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 Re: 300U Info in reply to Unreserved dick, 12-14-2004 09:39:40  
Thanks, I'm not sure about relying on luck though. Which one is the brake band and which the other, further back one the brake?

The manual is just the I&T manual from TSC, it must refer to about 25 tractors but its better than an outright guess.

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Unreserved dick

12-14-2004 17:46:00




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 Re: 300U Info in reply to B Watson, 12-14-2004 15:45:16  
According to my manual, the brake band is controlled by the rear screw. Been a while since I did the adjustment, so I won't swear to that at this point.

Do yourself a favor and get some good manuals from Binder Books (.com). Operators Manual has lots of maintenance information you really need to know.



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