Super HTA again

Dealerships have always had a free hand to make regional packages or modifiactions to products. What if some IH dealerships did the same. Granted it would not be from 'new' tractor parts and would not be a 'new' tractor, and therefore not be in the official IH line-up or serial scheme, and probably little or no documentation would exist about them.

Just supposing.....

IH has monthly serial number lists, other serial number lists, photographs, etc. Pretty soon we'll have parts blueprints available. Try getting those out of Waterloo without a mask and a gun!

Can you elaborate on the parts blueprints being made available? Will they be available to anyone or just folks who have somehow made a deal with IH like OEM tractor parts? I have several pieces I would like blueprints on so I don't have to reverse engineer them. I could see that being a VERY valuable asset to a top end restorer.

Thanks for the information Guy!!

Now that is sneaky!!! I am sure that happens alot as the SMTA sells for way more than a 400 or M combined.

Seems destined to me that you are going to go ahead and ignore the immense research Guy Fay has done on this topic. But what irritates me is "we are hoping to pursue some special documentation on this thing." What! You have got to be kidding. To say "no insults or harm" or "have fun" is ridiculous. This is becoming an out and out fraud. Of course your friend wants special documentation, when he sells it he wants his $15,000 back. And it is no "having fun" when the next sucker gets suckered.

Meanwhile you have Bugsy, who has told you several times, "I've talked to the man who built it." Not once have you asked for contact info for this man, or more about him. Which seems to me odd, since he could provide you with direct proof on whether your friend blew $15,000 on a shop built H or not. You act as if there is a great debate on this site as to the authenticity of your H, there is not. You seem to have Dave in MN who claims to have seen one in a book, and I don't doubt that he thinks he has, but he is going against Guy Fay on the topic in general, who I guarantee has done more research, and everyone who was at the auction in specific. Your friend spent $15,000 on a shop built H. Period. If you try to document this my only regret is that IH is no longer around to sue. If you want clarification on your H, ask for info on the man who built it, or I presume the man who sold it. And if the man who sold it is telling your friend that it is a factory Super HTA, or that he doesn't know if it is or not, let us know, otherwise quit the sherade.

Migraine, I would just like you guys to reconsider what the buyer is doing here, and would ask him to look in to all of this further. And if the seller is telling the buyer that it is authentic, or acting as though it is up in the air, please let someone on this site know. Because I do feel that there are people here who know otherwise, and would help in any way possible if the seller, and I am not saying he is, was trying to be cute with the facts. There is a great bunch of guys on this site, with a wealth of knowledge, use it and listen to them.

First, there was an HTA. It was destroyed. Well evedinced in the IH Collection at the Wisconsin Historical Society.

Production Specifications and Product Change Notices do refer to an Super HTA. They are also very clear that the name was changed to Farmall 300 before the tractor ever reached production. This material is at Hinsdale and I have viewed it.

Serial number lists make no mention of any Super H-TA production. These lists do go into detail as to monthly production. These lists are at the Wisconsin Historical Society.

There may well have been prototypes known within the company as Super HTA's. These would have had completely seperate serial numbers than the traditional "501" series numbers. I have never heard of anyone having one of these serial numbers- in fact, the numbers purported to be experimental Super HTAs have been laughable fakes.

It'll be interesting to see what becomes of this.