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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 06:13:10




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Mornin' All,

Gonna spend a little quality time bonding with my wire brushes and assorted tools today.

I bought this '51 H a few years ago and was always 'bothered' by it having the wrong seat.

Bought a new canvas pan last summer and it never did fit the old style frame quite right either.

Gotta find me a new shock and with a little time, we outta be back in business. :>)

Allan

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Randy SE-MN.

01-01-2005 08:17:43




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:13:10  
Allen, Please do yourself a huge favor and replace that seat spring as well. Two of my three IH"s have had that spring break on me in the last two years. That gets your attention DAMN fast! I was doing loader work, so no trailing implements were on the tractor(s).



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Charles Park

12-30-2004 12:30:58




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:13:10  
John M has asked about the two holes at the small end of the spring in the picture you posted. What are they for? Got me to thinking so can you help us stop wondering?



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Nebraska Cowman

12-30-2004 08:42:03




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:13:10  
Hey Allan! Glad to see that seat show up on your end! I was sure tempted to keep that top link for myself.



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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 08:59:38




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 12-30-2004 08:42:03  
Yes Sir,

Everything came thru just like the doctor ordered.

Finding an original center link with that "wire retainer & chain" is like looking for an Angus calf at night. Plus, I had to buy a new link last year for my 686 and the darned thing came without pins, no chain and it came to $230 delivered, so felt that I had plenty of headroom on this one of yours.

I soaked the swivels with a little penetrating oil last night and it is indeed as you said, "As good as new". That thing has been ‘parked’ for quite some time.

If you’re still gonna be bull-headed about it and tell me you don’t have one, I guess I'll have to buy the bottom pin from CaseIH and it should round out this week’s little dilemma. :>)

Thanks Pard, I’ve got ya on my “favorite sellers” list at ebay.

Allan

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Nebraska Cowman

12-30-2004 11:19:52




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 08:59:38  
Bull headed? I don't even have the correct pin on my own tractor.



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CNKS

12-30-2004 07:41:53




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:13:10  
I really don't consider the Monroe seat (on the tractor) the "wrong" seat, unless you are an absolute purist. My dad's 47 H came new with a Monroe seat. I always thought that was the optional deluxe seat until I started reading this forum several years ago. Ours could have been dealer installed, I guess, since I would have only been about 10 when my dad bought it.



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Glenn F.

12-30-2004 07:35:29




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:13:10  
Hey Allen...Sounds like the perfect day to me. Glenn



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RustyFarmall

12-30-2004 07:14:53




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:13:10  
Allan, do you reckon that elbow grease might work on knees and shoulders also?



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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 07:23:20




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-30-2004 07:14:53  
Hi Ol' Bud,

No, I've tried it and it doesn’t work.

Now, on the other hand, I've tried Jack Daniels back when I was younger.

Likewise, it also didn't do any good, but the good part was that, I definitely noticed that I really didn't care all that much either. :>)

Allan



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RustyFarmall

12-30-2004 07:32:55




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 07:23:20  
Might have to try that, I think there might be some left over from new years a couple of years ago. Would you suggest applying it aggressively to the joints or take a more passive approach?



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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 08:11:17




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-30-2004 07:32:55  
Now,

I'm certainly no authority on this subject, but as I recall, it went something like this:

To be taken in small doses orally.

Almost immediately and within the hour, you should notice that you are now 7 feet tall, weigh 249 lbs, built like a college linebacker, can dance the legs off every woman in the county while still maintaining the ability to whip every cowboy within three states. At the same time, you have no feeling in your body extremities, whatsoever.

You are now definitely the best lookin' man in history, perfect of hearing, speech, impeccable moral character and knowing all the while that all others in this world are total fools.

You are totally irresistible by women, largely due to the fact that you are now hung better than a Missouri plow mule.

The downside is that one always wakes up the next morning lying out on the front lawn and that the dog just whines and won’t come within 15 feet of you.

As an afterthought, I recall the last time I used this remedy, all of my clothes were also lying beside me on the lawn in a pile when I woke up along with an empty suitcase.

I don’t seem to recall how they got there and I couldn't remember where I left the truck. :>)

Allan

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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 08:36:46




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 08:11:17  
However,

I vividly recall in the summer of 1986, being in a restaurant in Riverton, Wyoming VERY early one Sunday morning.

I somewhat matter-of-factly told a big cowboy what a fool he was for wearing spurs into a public dining facility. He then responded quietly that if I didn’t close my yap, that he was going to paint all the yellow lines in the parking lot with my nose.

I also seem to recall that in Wyoming, cowboys are indeed men of their words. :>)

Allan

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Sloroll

12-30-2004 10:32:07




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 Riverton? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 08:36:46  
My Uncle owned a large part of Riverton. Spent a lot of time up in Worland and Thermopolis. We used to ride the oil rig pumpjacks after hitting the bars. Put a sadle on them and all. Blew an engine on my MG coming off of the bighorn. Put a rod right through the block. I beat the little 914 down first though.



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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 10:37:08




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 Re: Riverton? in reply to Sloroll, 12-30-2004 10:32:07  
Bill,

Ah say, just wondering..... ..

Did you ever happen to wear your spurs into a resturant? It's hard to make out a face when your eyes are all swollen shut and packed full of asphalt. :>)

Allan



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Sloroll

12-30-2004 10:42:19




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 Re: Riverton? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 10:37:08  
No.... but my buddies often did.... : ?)



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Charles Park

12-30-2004 06:41:11




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:13:10  
Have read many of your comments on this forum over the last few months. I am sure you know where to buy a shock for this baby but just wanted to let you know that you, El Toro, Nebraska Cowman and Rusty Farmall are some of favorites.

My M has been in the family for over 50 years. I am trying to do most of the work in my garage in Houston. Recently bought a primer gun and when it gets here I will start the process. The tractor is running thanks to a friend's help. Want it to be just about new. Anyhow, enjoy the year that is coming yhour way. Charles Park in Houston.

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Sloroll

12-30-2004 06:25:36




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:13:10  
I love an H specially a shiney one. I'd like a 39 some day. Kinda got the stable full right now though. I always liked that style of seat too. It was so much more comfy than the F series bar.



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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 06:43:40




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Sloroll, 12-30-2004 06:25:36  
Okay, Here's the deal.

Next spring when you drop outta the sky in that bi-plane to buy my coffee, like I know you are gonna do, I'm gonna send a perfectly restored seat that came off a '39 H home with ya.

Heck, it even has the correct "holes" in the seat pan :>)

Allan



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Sloroll

12-30-2004 07:53:03




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:43:40  
OK!!!



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Novel Idea Guy

12-30-2004 06:54:17




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 06:43:40  
I have always wondered, where do those "wrong" seats with the shock in the rear come from? Aftermarket?



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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 07:13:28




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 12-30-2004 06:54:17  
Oooops,

I probably used the wrong word there.

The older models of Hs and all Ms, (I think) used that 'behind the spring' shock; and that style of seat is IH for sure. They used it for years and years.

In about 1950, '51, (or thereabouts), they started putting the shock in front of the spring on the Hs. People have told me that IH used an out source supplier for these seats, but I dunno.

All I know is that the old style doesn't look right, nor does it bolt up right on my '51.

As far as being "correct", someone else more knowledgeable than I will have to clarify.

Allan

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CNKS

12-30-2004 07:50:15




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 07:13:28  
There is some confusion about this, but the behind the spring shock type seat was Monroe. The deluxe seat you are going to fix up is an IH seat -- it may have been outsourced, but it is in the parts catalog for H serial # 15698-up, meaning, I think, that it won't fit a "slot top" transmission cover. I don't know when IH actually started installing the deluxe seat, I would agree with you that it was on the later models.

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DWV

12-30-2004 08:30:58




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to CNKS, 12-30-2004 07:50:15  
CNKS,also noticed on early flat top H some only have two bolt holes instead of four to mount seat
to transmission cover.



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CNKS

12-30-2004 12:28:41




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to DWV, 12-30-2004 08:30:58  
I have a 41 H with the Monroe seat, held on by 2 bolts, large ones. Note that on Allan's mid-shock seat, that the 2 middle holes in the base are larger. Dunno if only two bolts are safe or not.



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Allan in NE

12-30-2004 09:15:08




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to DWV, 12-30-2004 08:30:58  
DWV,

Yes, that is the problem I'm running into. Also, the darned correct seat pan from the later model will not bolt up right.

Allan



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RustyFarmall

12-30-2004 11:39:35




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 Re: Elbow Grease in reply to Allan in NE, 12-30-2004 09:15:08  
Allan, I have the later style seat on my 1940 M, you are correct, there are only two bolt holes which will line up, but it has never been a problem. I am 6 ft. 230# and the previous owner of this tractor was the county roads dept., which means that everybody and his brother has driven this tractor, nobody ever had the seat come loose.



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