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Randy in Pa

01-04-2005 12:24:29




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Hello guys,

I posted a question on my 230 oil pressure being low and got some good advice and appriciate it.

Now it seems as though my engine was just kinda hot and the oil was thin when when the pressure was low.

When I just start it up cold my oil pressure is fine. Meaning the needle is in the middle of the guage.

Now when the oil is hot the needle is on the second notch. There are 6 notches with 1 being zero and 6 being 75lbs

That means there is around 30-35 lbs pressure when cold, but about 15 lbs pressure when hot.

Is this something I have to worry about?

Thanks for the help.

Randy

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gene b

01-04-2005 14:29:16




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:24:29  
Been around these tractors As and Bs since 47 woulnt worry about lower pressure when warm 10-15lbs is enough. Dont worry about bearings in the camshaft as there arent any and never have been. Mite want to remove the pan and clean it and check the pick-up on the oil pump. It is easy to take the bottom of the oil pump off and check to see if it is warped or not. New ones are avail from dealer around 60.00 and a new gasket. The gasket it very thin. Run a 10-30 oil and go. I have 11 in the stable some with new engines and some are original. The engines are very well built and were made to last for a long time. Glad to help anytime and congrats. gene b

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lee

01-04-2005 13:26:08




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:24:29  
my take is as long as it stays at 15 and you run it at a good engine speed, not lugging it down to
low rpm under load it may run a good long while.
My A had zeeero pressure hot when I finally figured she was ready for a re-build. I pulled it out of the tractor and did a complete overhaul, (hot tank, crank grind, new sleeves, pistons, bearings, rods reconditioned, valve train replaced, you name it, it was done complete. Now if you just want to slip some bearings in, that's prolly something you would want to consider doing sooner than what I did.

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NDS

01-04-2005 13:19:20




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:24:29  
It very well may be bearings but it also could very well be oil pump or even bad quage. I have A that I bought in mid sixtys oil pressure has never been much better than that. Used it for 25 years to cut 2 acre lawn and after that to bush hog 5 acres twice a year for 10 years plus hundreds of chore jobs and oil presure is not much worse than it was 40 years ago and pan has never been off. I assume the 15 lbs. hot is at full throttle if it is at idle or slightly over that is fine. No doubt it would be better to find out cause and fix it but if it does not knock on start up or go to near zero at hot idle it probaly is not going to self destruct any time soon. Just another opinion.

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Randy in Pa

01-04-2005 13:02:29




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:24:29  
Thanks guys! This is all very very helpfull.

I have been working on this tractor quite a bit since I got it last fall. It is running really really good and I thought I was done working on it for awhile.

I will probably use it for a while and take it easy, and plan on doing an overhall later on in the year.

Still beats a tractor payment anyway!

Randy



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captaink

01-04-2005 12:49:35




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:24:29  
Randy,

To me low oil pressure is something to be concerned about, otherwise why have a gauge? Does the engine use oil, smoke, or have less power than it should? If so you are probably due for a complete engine overhaul.

If low oil pressure is your only problem, I’d pull the pan and check the crankshaft bearings as you may have one or more that are “wobbled out” as Allen suggests. Check the crank for scratches, grooves, wear, out of round, etc, and the oil pump for blown gasket or warped end plate. If all looks good, a fresh set of the correct size bearings, (according to what the crank currently measures) might just be all you need. The camshaft bearings could also be worn and contribute to the low oil pressure, but to replace these you will have to split the tractor and pretty much tear the engine apart.

Good Luck!

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farmalljim10

01-04-2005 12:42:41




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:24:29  
You will be fine..In summer if doing a lot of heavy work you could put in heavyier oil but you really dont need to either ..Worry more about volume of oil not presure..Probobly mains to pull it down that much..It is easy to change rod bearings in that engine..They used to make them in .002 undersize also just for a worn crank..Just my 2 cents worth .....Jim



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Allan in NE

01-04-2005 12:26:58




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:24:29  
Hi Randy,

You have the classic symptoms of wobbled out & bad engine bearings.

Allan



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Randy in Pa

01-04-2005 12:33:15




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Allan in NE, 01-04-2005 12:26:58  
Thanks Allan that made my day : )

Are we talking crank bearings/rod bearings?

Since I am just doing gravel driveway maitinance and clearing snow(if we ever get any) and not farming, is this something I really have to worry about as long as I take it easy?

Thanks

Randy



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Allan in NE

01-04-2005 12:51:06




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:33:15  
Randy,

Normally, an engine will run on a minimum of around 8 lbs of oil pressure without doing itself in.

I've seen lots of engines bangin' around with 20 lbs and they don't seem to be having much trouble. So, if you aren't planning to pull the guts out of the tractor, you might be okay for quite some time yet.

However, that 15 lbs of oil pressure is telling you that there is a problem in there. Yes, all crank and camshaft bearings.

If you start hearing a "hashy" sound coming from the top end, I'd think I'd bite the bullet and fix it before you loose a crankshaft.

And, please remember, this is just my view,

Allan

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RustyFarmall

01-04-2005 12:43:29




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 Re: More questions on oil pressure in reply to Randy in Pa, 01-04-2005 12:33:15  
I have an H Farmall with the same exact symptoms. I have lived with it being that way for about 5 years now. Allan is correct about it being wobbled out, is it something to worry about? I'll put it like this, it will not ever get any better, and will only get worse. Do you really want that engine coming apart when you have about 3 feet of snow that has got to be cleared from the drive?



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