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It almost started, my 44 H Cont.

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tanner clark

01-08-2005 13:09:02




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Hey guys, I made a reply to my other post but nobody saw it. So, I took the valve cover off, (Intake valve is the 2nd one from the front of the motor right?) I turned the hand crank, got compression, watched the valves (intake and exhaust open and close) Stroke was between the two (assuming that the intake valve is the 2nd one in line after the exhaust valve) and the pointer was pointing at the first of the two notches on the pulley. The brass part of the rotor button was at 7 O'clock, I turned the Dist. counterclockwise so that the points were just opening, tightened the Dist. Installed the battery, gave it choke, and hit the starter. There was a lot of pressure and I released the starter. The motor continued thump thumping on its own, but it never actually started, it seemed as it was trying to turn over on the compression, but nothing happend. So what now? I am close.

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tanner clark

01-09-2005 14:02:10




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 Re: It almost started, my 44 H Cont. in reply to tanner clark, 01-08-2005 13:09:02  
I made a reply, hopefully someone will see this.



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riverbend

01-09-2005 20:44:00




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 Re: It almost started, my 44 H Cont. in reply to tanner clark, 01-09-2005 14:02:10  
Fuel dripping out of the carb after you choke it is pretty normal. I would not run the tractor with the air cleaner disconnected. There is a weep hole in the bottom of the carb to let the excess fuel out.

Take MagMan's advice to heart. Don't over think this. Farmer Bob told you the layout of the valves. When both valves on #1 are closed and the pointer is lined up with the first double notch, The #1 cylinder is ready to fire. The points need to open to create the spark and the rotor has to send it to the right plug wire to get it to #1 cylinder.

The motor does not care where the distributor rotor is pointing as long as it is in time with the cylinder that is ready to fire. The 2 'o' clock position mostly has to do with the number "1" molded into the original distributor cap. In any case, you will need to get the motor, the points and the rotor all in time to get it to run.

Back to MagMan's point - just do the minimum to get it running. It sounds like you need to fine tune the timing to get it to start. Get #1 to TDC on compression and follow the instructions in paragraph 179 of your IT manual-

Loosen the distributor clamps and turn the distributor body clockwise about 1/6 of a turn. Hold the distributor end of the coil wire 1/8" away from the metal distributor body. Turn on the ignition and slowly turn the distributor body CCW. When you see a spark, stop and tighten the distributor clamps. Shut the ignition off. Make sure your plug wires are in the right order. Give it two cranks of full choke. Open the choke, advance the throttle about a half a dozen clicks, turn on the ignition, and it should start.

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MagMan

01-08-2005 17:01:47




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 Re: It almost started, my 44 H Cont. in reply to tanner clark, 01-08-2005 13:09:02  
Hi Tanner this process is a fairly easy one dont put a lot of thought in it. Where is your # 1 plug wire on the dist cap. It still sound like it could be 180 off by where your saying the rotor is. Beleve me this is a real easy process. Do you have an IT manual? JON



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tanner clark

01-08-2005 20:27:21




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 Re: It almost started, my 44 H Cont. in reply to MagMan, 01-08-2005 17:01:47  
Yes I have the manual, and a bunch of others too. I guess theoretically, I don't understand why the Dist. position matters. If you can set TDC on no:1 looking at the valves, seeing the piston, and feeling the compression blow by, you should be able to just pull out the Dist. and rotate the gears so that the button is facing the 2 O'clock position. My question still stands, about the which valve on the no:1 cylinder is the intake, and which one is the exhaust valve? I just wanted to know. Anyhow, when I choke the motor and then try to start it and nothing happens, fuel comes out of the carb since I have the breather hose off of the carb to help it breath. Would this be a problem, or does it mean anything that a bunch of fuel comes out of the carb after choking it?

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Farmer Bob

01-09-2005 00:03:33




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 Re: It almost started, my 44 H Cont. in reply to tanner clark, 01-08-2005 20:27:21  
The first valve(On radiator end of the engine) is #1 exhaust, the next valve is #1 intake, then #2 intake, then #2 exhaust, #3 exhaust, #3 intake, #4 intake, and finally #4 exhaust. All of this can be verified by just taking a look at the manifold, The rusty section is the exhaust and extends all the way to the front and back ends of the engine. The intake section only extends part way out towards the ends and is usually a lot less rusty and maybe even has some paint on it.

The reason you have gas running out of the carb when you choke it is the float could be set too high, could be hanging up on the sides of the body of the carb, plugged passages inside the carb, etc. For the purpose of just getting the tractor started, it shouldn't matter that you have the breather tube to the oil bath air cleaner disconnected at the carb. I don't recommend running it this way after you get her running and using the tractor as you stand a chance of getting a lot of dirt sucked into the carb.

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Farmer Bob

01-08-2005 15:54:31




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 Re: It almost started, my 44 H Cont. in reply to tanner clark, 01-08-2005 13:09:02  
Yes, you are real close I believe. At this point loosen the bolts holding the distributor so that you can rotate the distributor by hand. While trying to start the tractor, turn the distributor slightly one way and then the other. If the tractor starts and runs,let it warm up some and then continue turning the distributor slightly in either direction to get the engine running it's best without missing or lugging. Provided you have your points gapped at .020" on high lobe and plugs gapped at .025" the tractor should be ready to run good. You may have to adjust the carburator or governor but cross that bridge later. Lets get her running first.

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Allan in NE

01-08-2005 13:13:50




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 Re: It almost started, my 44 H Cont. in reply to tanner clark, 01-08-2005 13:09:02  
Tanner,

I dunno, but H's just don't like the old choke very much; it is awfully easy to overfuel 'em.

Let 'er dry out and try it again with the throttle pulled back about 2/3 open and stay away from that choke.

Allan



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riverbend

01-08-2005 16:26:26




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 Re: It almost started, my 44 H Cont. in reply to Allan in NE, 01-08-2005 13:13:50  
Allen, not meaning to step on your toes, but 2/3 throttle might be too much. Mine likes two cranks with the choke full on, no throttle, ignition off. Then no choke, and 6-7 clicks on the ratchet, just enough to move the governor linkage.

Keep at it Tanner. It might take a while to wake it up and get it running. Heating the tips of the spark plugs (10 min. on the gas stove) helps when it is really stubborn.

Greg

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