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Hydraulics on an A?

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Bill57

01-12-2005 18:15:10




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The Super A I thought I'd bought is really an A, according to the numbers I just uncovered on the plate under the seat: A FAA 17993. But it has hydraulics which I understood didn't come with an A. Was it common to add hydraulics? Thanks,

Bill




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James H in Tx

01-12-2005 19:49:28




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Bill57, 01-12-2005 18:15:10  
I just bought an AV that has a 90 Degree PTO on it. They hooked a pump onto the shaft with a coupler. Put a resivior on it. They mounted a hydraulic cylinder on the top of the trans housing facing backwards to a lift arm to lift the work bar. The control valve is located on the steering column. You have to engage the PTO to get the pump to work. But it's works good.

James



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Haas

01-12-2005 18:43:04




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Bill57, 01-12-2005 18:15:10  
Don't know if there was a kit to convert or not, but to do so would have required changing out the torque tube (bell housing) and the engine block. More likely what has happened is that some one took the front end of a Super A and attached it to the back end of and A. Or...someone had a Super A with bad seat supports and found some from and A, putting them on the Super A along with the serial tag. Lot's of things like this happen to these old tractors over the years. You can sort of check what you have by checking casting dates. All the major castings have date codes, so you can tell when they were manufactured.

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Bill57

01-12-2005 19:18:42




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Haas, 01-12-2005 18:43:04  
Is there a site that will tell casting dates? I have one number on the housing just below the gas tank: 354352 and below that 1 21 2 T. Then, below that on the crankshaft housing(?) there is a number written upside down: 351687R3.

Thanks VERY MUCH for any help.
Bill



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CNKS

01-13-2005 09:09:11




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Bill57, 01-12-2005 19:18:42  
The torque tube you are referring to (351687) is off of a C, it was cast Jan 21 1950, that casting code should be 1*21*T, without the extra 2. It is flat on top for the attachment of the hydraulic reservoir. The other number is probably an original casting, as it is not in my Super A or C parts books.



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Stan(VA).

01-13-2005 05:33:08




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Bill57, 01-12-2005 19:18:42  
Bill it is a lot of work to add hydraulics to an original straight A. If yours looks original, is it possible you just can't see the first digit and your number is actually FAA (3)17993 ? That would make it a 1951 tractor and the one date code you list 12-12-T is Dec 12 of 1950 which would be reasonable. If this is the case and your engine is original, I think it's casting number should be 354898R1 (behind the oil filter housing) with a date code n-n-W for sometime in 1951. Let us know what you find,
Stan(VA).

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Bill57

01-13-2005 09:24:52




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Stan(VA)., 01-13-2005 05:33:08  
Thanks for the post, Stan. To my unpracticed eye, it looks original. Things just look like they fit to this rookie. And the model number on the plate under the seat is definitely A, not SA, and serial number FAA17993, which would make it a 1940, I think, if it were an A. But it just doesn't look that ancient. I can't really tell if the seat's original. It may be a replaced A seat, I guess, as someone suggested.

The number behind the oil filter and just below the plugs is 251068 R1.

There's a number on top of the front right hydraulics: 8530 DD. Another number on the block just under the rear end of the gas tank: 354352 R1, and below that 12 12 T. Or it might be 2 2 T. Just below and to the right of that is MF, written as if it were a cattle brand, the right side of the M and the left side of the F forming the same line. The last numbers I've found are farther back, just left of the clutch pedal on the lowest block, written upside-down: 351687 R3, and below and just to the right of that: 2 20.

Thanks very much for your help! If I can straighten this out, I'll know which manuals to buy, for one thing.

Bill

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Stan(VA).

01-13-2005 16:34:53




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Bill57, 01-13-2005 09:24:52  
Bill,
In that case (inc info from Hass, CNKS, and sure of shorter serial number) you probably do have a hybrid built from an A and a C. Don't know how many people are doing this (and you didn't say where you were from) but I have a friend that has been doing just this mod and reselling the tractors for ~25-30 yrs. So it is certainly possible, but I don't know of too many people that have gone through the learning curve that this guy has. Thanks CNKS and Hass for chasing down the casting numbers, I havn't had time today. Your engine block casting number should be 251069R1 and the engine serial number (machined on a small flat just above the distributor) should have either FCM prefix if it came from a C, or a FAAM prefix if it came from an Super A donor tractor.
Stan(VA).

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Haas

01-13-2005 14:20:35




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Bill57, 01-13-2005 09:24:52  
The 354352 R1 number is the touch control hydraulic block. Same one works for the Super A, C and Super C.



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Roy Sigler

05-12-2005 09:42:14




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Haas, 01-13-2005 14:20:35  
Folks, I need help.
Ihave a farmall Mod A Ser#F.A.A.112030
Will someone tell me the year.



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CNKS

01-13-2005 09:19:57




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Stan(VA)., 01-13-2005 05:33:08  
I typed my post (see above) before I read yours, you are probably correct about the date. The torque tube number is in my C parts book, but not in my Super A book.



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Haas

01-12-2005 18:46:34




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Haas, 01-12-2005 18:43:04  
Need to qualify that my comments above are based on converting an A to hydraulics with rock shafts like on the Super A. There are plenty of ways to rig a hydaulic system on an A with pump running off generator belt or the PTO, etc.



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tiny

01-12-2005 18:41:21




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to Bill57, 01-12-2005 18:15:10  
I have put hydrulics on my A to raise my snow plow and could be used for other attachments if set up right.



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Bill57

01-12-2005 20:12:33




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 Re: Hydraulics on an A? in reply to tiny, 01-12-2005 18:41:21  
Well, thanks for all the comments, gents. This forum is wonderful. Sometime soon I'll find someone around here who knows what the two tractors look like and get a definitive answer. In the meantime, it's been another great learning experience to put in the Farmall File. And I'm sure glad I have a excellent old tractor for our vegetable- farm-to-be. Thank you, fellas.
Bill



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