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H dilemma vegetable axles

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Nebraska Cowman

01-22-2005 05:20:59




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OK, here's the deal. i started restoring an H that was supposedly overhauled but the mechanic was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Anyway we have to take the head back off. In the mean time I sold the hood and grill off the tractor to take some of the bite out of the deal. I decided to put the tractor on propane as I already had the tank and a cut hood. Fast forward a year and I got another parts tractor with single front wheel and decide the single front would look nice with propane as I need to change the bolster and frame rails anyway. Now I discover the parts tractor also has extra long axels so must consider that they should be changed too, and there is a possibility there might be low-speed gears. How far do I go? Who ever heard of a propane vegetable H?

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Hugh MacKay

01-23-2005 03:20:38




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:20:59  
Howard: Don't let the fact that it may not be worth much when your done, get you down. We've all been doing that for years. I would guess I have $35,000. tied up in my SA, 130, 140 and by now 18 to 20 attachments. I say guess as I stopped counting long ago. I doubt if I could sell what I have in old iron for $15,000.

So build the H anyway you want, your not going to create a shortage of regular run of the mill H's.

By the way did you see that photo of the Farmall red casket, complete with IH decals. It was circulating last week, someone e mailed it to me as well as to a dozen others. I'm advised the manufacturer is building one model with a money box for guys like Sloroll.

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farmallkid From ONT.

01-22-2005 14:31:41




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:20:59  
I know of an M with those, my bosses daughter has one, he wants to move the wheels out so she dont take the shed with her when she drives out cause she will! Now, noing you, ya probably got some extra hubs and rims for a H, maybe some tires to, so why dont you move the first set of wheels in as far as they will go, then put another set to make duals, not sure if it would work but in my mind it would. THen you could have a SINGLE WHEEL LP VEGATABLE H WITH DUALS. To me that would make a nice show tractor. the duals would give ya extra stability to with that single wheel! what ya think?

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CNKS

01-22-2005 10:03:01




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:20:59  
To sum what the others said -- The propane and the cut hood means you have a modified tractor. The single front and the 100 inch rear axles are of no consequence as those were options available to all H's. The 100 inch axles have nothing to to with the low speed gears. Axles on the H (maximum tread width), were either 80 or 100 inch. The third axle width referred to below is 88 inch, standard on the Super H, the 80 inch was not available on the SH, far as I know; I believe all are interchangeable on either tractor. The 100 inch axles, I suppose may have been designed for vegetables, I don't know. I grew up in vegetable country and never saw 100 inch axles, ours were set to 80, since we used 20 inch rows, or sometimes 40's for cantalopes, etc, they were fine. Perhaps the single front makes it a vegetable tractor, our single front was used for that purpose, but row crop farmers used single fronts also. SO--anything you want to do will work, and will only cause arguments amoung purists, who often don't know what they are talking about, anyway.

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max adams

01-22-2005 08:42:24




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:20:59  
Nebraska Cowman, like John A. said GO FOR IT!!! I know in the muscle car world it's the big thing to build what you think should have been built. A person can end up with something pretty neat. Deffinately need some pic's when finished. i'm doing a 706 in the way i think they should have. That's my 2 cents!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!! !



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John A.

01-22-2005 06:06:16




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:20:59  
Cowman, Sounds good to me, but some of the few IH
purest may rag on you for the LP set up even thouth it was not factory. Other than than that IMO... I think it will be too Cool!!!!
Wheather or not it has the low-speed gears would be of no consequence. It would seem to me that an H could be ordered with one of 3 different rear axles. So the longer axles should not necessarly be indicative of the low-speed gears either. All you should be shooting for is a different example of the way an ol H could be equiped. Go For It!
Later,
John A.
PS.. Show us some pics as the project proceeds!!!

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jayw

01-22-2005 05:43:22




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:20:59  
If you can find a propane IH refrig you can take care of all 3 favorite things BBQ,H,Beer



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Sloroll

01-22-2005 05:53:50




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to jayw, 01-22-2005 05:43:22  
Well maybe not a big ol fridge but howabout an icecream freezer geared of the PTO. Man you'd be your own rolling snack shack! Anyway NC, dig up a couple of those fruit jar$. I think you got a great H in the making and I hope you have the rear end for it. I've got a low speed one but no body thinks it is worth much :? )



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Nebraska Cowman

01-22-2005 06:04:23




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Sloroll, 01-22-2005 05:53:50  
that's what I'm afaid of Bill, I'll get a pile of money tied up and it won't be worth nothin' when we get done.



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SLoroll

01-22-2005 06:09:49




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 06:04:23  
I boils down to ... do you want to keep it or turn it over then. For a turn over, there is someone out there that will want it and pay top $ for it. As you know those people with the big $$ sometimes you have to wait for. There is a fellow about 40 miles from me that collects H's. Actually has them shelved like a toy collectors basement (really). That is the guy you'd have to find. People like me can only stand and be envious of really cool stuff.

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Nebraska Cowman

01-22-2005 06:19:50




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to SLoroll, 01-22-2005 06:09:49  
Well, I'm building it to keep. But being a practical guy I always want to be able to see my way out if need be.



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Sloroll

01-22-2005 05:33:50




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:20:59  
Could be pretty cool NC! A cantalope special! :? ) If you have the parts time and (I know you got) the $$$ that'd be a neat tractor. Of course I am kind of an H nut. I always thought it'd be fun to rig up a propane tractor such as an H with a gas BBQ Grill on the side. It would take care of two of the three of my favorite things and be real handy on a tractor ride...



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Nebraska Cowman

01-22-2005 05:43:49




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Sloroll, 01-22-2005 05:33:50  
I ain't got the time, I'm hiring it done. And I had your money, I'd burn mine. But yeah, cold or not I gotta pull the trans lid off and check out those gears. I am pumped now!



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earlschieb

01-22-2005 05:32:14




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:20:59  
What is the suffix on the end of the serial number, that should tell you whether it has the low speed first in it.



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Nebraska Cowman

01-22-2005 05:39:57




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to earlschieb, 01-22-2005 05:32:14  
No, there are no codes on it. But that does not mean the gears and axles could have been added? Or would there even be a code for the long axles?



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CNKS

01-22-2005 18:06:57




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:39:57  
Guy Fay does not list a code for the axles.



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earlschieb

01-22-2005 05:44:03




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 01-22-2005 05:39:57  
I do not know about a code for long axles, seems like there was one. On the later models, X1A would have been for low speed gears, XiF is for high speed gears, which I happen to have one of. Kinda looking for an X1A tractor myself.



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earlschieb

01-22-2005 05:45:30




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 Re: H dilemma vegetable axles in reply to earlschieb, 01-22-2005 05:44:03  
Shoulda been X1F, not XiF, sorry.



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