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986 TA fixed itself

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Mapleridge

01-22-2005 06:13:13




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I have a 986 8speed with ta. Last season, the TA in low started to slip. Initially when pulling a heavy load but by the end in 3 rd gear mowing. This season no slipage at all, even when pulling a hay trailer with 250 + bales uphill. I could stall it I if I didn't downshift (sure would like to learn how to do that without grinding). I have never had a problem with the high part. If the low was slipping when I pushed the lever up, it had enough power to make the front end light. Anyone heard of such a thing? Something sticking? Tearing it down was going to be this winters project, but I almost don't dare to touch it.

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captaink

01-24-2005 08:09:59




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Mapleridge, 01-22-2005 06:13:13  
To reduce or eliminate gear clash when shifting that speed transmission, you need to “double clutch” when you shift.

“Double Clutching” is the process in which the operator synchronizes the gear speeds manually. “Double clutching” is a process that needs to be done in the “blink of an eye” in order for it to work successfully. Here is how to do it in a nutshell. You mention down shifting under a load. When the engine is under below the speed that the throttle is set at, depress the clutch far enough to release the pressure on the gears but not engage the transmission brake and move the speed lever to a position between gears. Release and re-engage the clutch (again not far enough to engage the transmission brake) and when the engine hits the RPM that matches your ground speed for the lower gear, slip (don’t try to jam it) the speed transmission into gear and release the clutch. It sounds a lot simpler than it really is and takes lots of practice and knowledge of the relationships between the engine RPM and ground speed in various gears. To shift to a higher gear, you need to have the engine at a high RPM, engage the clutch, move between gears, throttle down, and momentarily release the clutch, and then slip the gear shift into the next higher gear when the engine RPM is matches the ground speed in that gear. If you know a truck driver that has been around the 13-speed transmissions, he probably will be able to show you how to shift without even using the clutch!

At any rate it takes practice and a good ear for engine speed (or know the shift points on the tachometer) to make a shift while moving without “grinding” the gears.

Good luck!

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Hugh MacKay

01-23-2005 02:51:18




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Mapleridge, 01-22-2005 06:13:13  
Mapleridge: If you want to check out your 986 TA then put a 986 load behind it, so far you have only talked about good Farmall M drawbar loads.

Try a 5-6 bottom plow, 20'disk or cultivator or couple of 300 bu grain wagons. My neighbor has couple of 400 bushel grain wagons, and I see him quite regularly with them loaded behind his 856.



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JJK

01-22-2005 13:58:17




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Mapleridge, 01-22-2005 06:13:13  
If you decide to replace your TA, go with the diode TA. It provides a more solid lock up than the sprag style TA and the warranty is pretty good if somthing was to fail. We usually replace the constant mesh gear with the TA(trying to prevent gear noise). Remember to check your shift forks, quill gear, splines on the pressure plate, pto drive gear, bearing cage for pto drive gear(bearing spinning in cage), MCV pump, the spools in the MCV(check for scoring), related parts in speed shift cover, and the length of the spacers on the countershaft. These are some of the parts that I"ve run across that wear or brake. Also take a close look at the pto driven gear, look to see that the teeth have an arch on both sides, if one side is like a ski slope, this will make for a lot of gear noise or premature wear when putting in a new pto drive gear.
If your clutch linkage is bolted to the bellhousing this is the time to update it to the bracket that bolts to the cab. Check the cab mounts. If the cab mounts are bad I"ve replaced them with the Case-IH Magnum cab mounts(better mount). This fixes a jumpy clutch problems.
Checking all these things will usually prevent foul language and from you having to go back in a second time.

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Darald

01-22-2005 13:53:14




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Mapleridge, 01-22-2005 06:13:13  
My 986 needs a new TA and I have heard of a heavy duty model sold by a wrecker near Winnipeg. Any truth to a heavy model, and where are they available?



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the tractor vet

01-22-2005 14:06:08




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Darald, 01-22-2005 13:53:14  
On any tractor that was over 80 hp i always used the HD T/A they have one more clutch on the low side And for my money the Hy Capacity brand is the best out there.



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RickB

01-22-2005 09:31:52




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Mapleridge, 01-22-2005 06:13:13  
An IH mechanic with over 30 years experience on hydraulic TA's taught me that if one slips in TA mode the sprag is failing or failed. No exceptions. It will not cure itself. It may drive on the low side clutchpack, but it won't pull hard for long. You can check hyd flow and pressure, dump valve spool adjustment and all the rest, but your sprag and therefore your TA is toast. Slipping in high can be a hydraulic problem, but not in TA mode.

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Novel Idea Guy

01-22-2005 07:37:01




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Mapleridge, 01-22-2005 06:13:13  
I wouldn"t say it fixed itself. There"s still something wrong, it"s just intermittent. Unfortunately, you could spend a lot of time and money figuring out what"s wrong, and still not fix it when the problem only happens sometimes.

The TA is operated by hydraulic pressure. In the past I"ve experienced the TA slipping in low when turning, because the hydraulic power steering bled enough pressure off to cause the TA to release. This generally indicates a problem with the MCV or hydraulic pump, not the TA itself.

Follow the TA linkage down to the side of the torque tube, under the left door of the cab. That"s the panel that contains the MCV, which I believe stands for multi-control valve. It directs hydraulic pressure to the power steering, TA, and brakes. Your problem may be there.

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Mapleridge

01-22-2005 08:09:38




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 01-22-2005 07:37:01  
I do think my power steering is worn. When the engine is off, the wheel essentially free wheels and does not provide any turning to the wheels. From what I read, it means there is internal leakage to whatever is under the steering column.



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the tractor vet

01-22-2005 08:16:25




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 Re: 986 TA fixed itself in reply to Mapleridge, 01-22-2005 08:09:38  
The sump check plug is not seating . could be a pice of dirt or a woren pluck or weak spring.



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