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randy kunkel

01-22-2005 16:31:59




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I got an M the end of the fall and it needed carb work. I left it where it died due to lack of time and figured spring would be a good time to start in on it. On Dec. 23 we had some unusual weather in Ar.. As I stood in my warm kitchen drinking hot coffe I realized my new red tractor had only water [ or at this time ice] in the engine. I have since drained the water or uh oil I mean from the crank case and put anti-freeze in the radiator. I turned the engine over for a couple of minutes and it seemed to have worked in getting it inside the engine because when I pulled the plug on the side anti-freeze ran out. I drained the oil after this and there was no anti-freeze in the oil. What would be the next step? I think I may see a small crack on the block near the front at the plate on the drivers side. Any info would be greatly app.

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Opa A

01-23-2005 11:47:28




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 Re: Frozen M in reply to randy kunkel, 01-22-2005 16:31:59  
I have a customer with a W-6 that gets water, not antifreeze, in the oil every time it rains unless he tarps the engine. He has a rain cap on the exhaust and we have not been able to figure out how the water gets in. He just drains it off every time it rains and has had no problem with the engine for years. If water or condensation is left in the oil for any lenght of time it will eventually react with the byproducts of combustion that get by the rings and into the oil and product an acid that will atack engine bearings. I've seen this on a few grain trucks that are only used for short trips and do not get run warm enough to evaporate the water off.

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jbcr1028

01-23-2005 05:23:54




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 Re: Frozen M in reply to randy kunkel, 01-22-2005 16:31:59  
My M when i bought it a year and a half ago, brought it home changed oil and it had about the same amount of water in the crankcase maybe a little more. I've been running it ever since and no problems. One persons opion was that maybe some water seeped in around the piston sleeves. One guy told me his 4 whl drive tractor does it every year. P.S. thanks for all the help with my trans to everybody that responded.

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randy kunkel

01-22-2005 20:45:03




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 Re: Frozen M in reply to randy kunkel, 01-22-2005 16:31:59  
Thanks everyone!!! It got down to about 10 degrees and did not get above freezing for a couple of days. I do not know how water got in the oil, it did not look to have been changed in maybe a few years or so and it was about a good size cup full. I put in a gallon of anti-freeze and it only got the level to where I could see it. I realize I did not word my first entry well, what I meant was that the crankcase was drained after I had opened the drain for the block and saw the anti-freeze but no oil was in where the coolant was suposed to be.And no anti-freeze was in the oil, just water. So I can run it to see what happens and not be to worried?

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gusc

01-22-2005 20:23:36




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 Re: Frozen M in reply to randy kunkel, 01-22-2005 16:31:59  
The drain on the left (Driver's??) side is the engine block water jacket drain, no oil is supposed to be in there.



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riverbend

01-22-2005 17:19:58




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 Re: Frozen M in reply to randy kunkel, 01-22-2005 16:31:59  
How about some more questions ? Why was there water in the oil ? How cold did it get ? How much antifreeze did you wind up putting in the radiator ? I think an M holds about 6 gallons. If there was not much water in the system, it may not be a problem.

The only way to really tell is to pressure test it or run it until it gets warmed up good.



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CNKS

01-22-2005 17:17:58




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 Re: Frozen M in reply to randy kunkel, 01-22-2005 16:31:59  
If it is a very small crack, chances are the heat of the engine will cause the coolant to evaporate as it leaks. When it cools down, it won't evaporate and will become more noticable as it seeps out.



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JWH

01-22-2005 16:57:11




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 Re: Frozen M in reply to randy kunkel, 01-22-2005 16:31:59  
You might have to get the thing running good and hot to see if that crack is going to be a problem. My H had that same problem about 20 years ago. they just put water in it and it froze and it busted big time. a big old crack in the block you could stick a screw driver in, one that big in the top of the head too. When I got it last year, I replaced both with "new" parts. if it is bad enough you need to fix or replace, a word of advice....sometimes it is cheaper to buy a new cast iron part than have the old one welded up. trust me, I know.

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John M

01-22-2005 16:42:42




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 Re: Frozen M in reply to randy kunkel, 01-22-2005 16:31:59  
The plug on the side is to drain the water from the block,not oil.



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