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PAULIH300

01-23-2005 10:43:13




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What is the purpose of the ramp/rollers in a TA? I would imagine that once they slip its all over,so why arent they welded together with no chance of slippage? Do they have to ratchet under certain conditions (like reverse?).I cant see their reason to be there,other than just cause trouble.




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K.B.-826

01-23-2005 18:56:34




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 Re: TA Design in reply to PAULIH300, 01-23-2005 10:43:13  
Here's how the TA works-

The Mechanical TA used in the smaller IH's is a planetary unit. It is made up of an input shaft, a 7" clutch, a planetary carrier, the planetary unit, the overrunning clutch- known as the ramp and rollers, and the output shaft. Power enters the unit through the input shaft from the engine clutch. When the lever is ahead, (DD), the 7" TA clutch locks the input shaft to the planetary carrier, and the whole assembly rotates as a unit, resulting in no reduction of speed. When the lever is pulled back, the TA clutch disengages, allowing the power from the input shaft to enter the primary sun gear in the center of the planetary unit. The primary sun gear turns the primary planet gears, which are attached to the secondary planet gears, which turn the secondary sun gear, which is splined to the output shaft, resulting in the gear reduction. If the planetary carrier wasn't held still with the lever back, it would just freewheel around the sun gears, and the tractor would not move. This is why the overrunning (one-way) clutch, or ramp and rollers, is used. It is located between the output shaft and the planet carrier, and locks up whenever the planet carrier tries to turn faster than the output shaft. If it goes bad, the planet carrier will just freewheel. One more thing about the ramp and rollers- since it is a one-way clutch, it will lock up whenever the planet carrier tries to turn faster than the output shaft. However, if the output shaft tries to turn faster than the input (traveling downhill in TA) the ramp and rollers will overrun, causing the tractor to freewheel right down the hill. That is why you never go downhill in TA.

To answer your question-

The ramp and rollers do not need to ratchet (overrun), but it was the only way avalible in 1954 to hold the carrier still. Hydraulic clutch and brake packs and the seals needed to make them work realiable enough for farm equipment hadn't been developed yet. The ramp and rollers provided a low-tech way to automaticly hold the carrier still, but the disatvantage was that it would overrun if the output shaft tries to turn faster than the input shaft. If you welded the ramp and rollers engaged, you would basically be welding the output shaft to the planet carrier.

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RickB

01-23-2005 11:46:08




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 Re: TA Design in reply to PAULIH300, 01-23-2005 10:43:13  
The ramp/rollers prevent the planetary carrier from rotating in TA mode. The carrier counter-rotates in direct mode allowing the rollers to move down the ramp.



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MagMan

01-23-2005 11:45:15




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 Re: TA Design in reply to PAULIH300, 01-23-2005 10:43:13  
Thats true the ramp and rollers are the heart of the TA. I did my first one in my early twentys. I tore into it on my 300 it slipped sometimes and whined alot.I used the IT manual. Called wengers out of PA they said like 400.00 for a rebuilt I said I dont want a rebuilt just the ramp and rollers . The guy said oh ok. I think it was about $70.00 later the place that rebuilds them for them sent me a new ramp and roller. Its been close to 15 years now on a small farm without a problem. Use them right and it can be a very long freind ship. JON

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Bob

01-23-2005 11:30:20




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 Re: TA Design in reply to PAULIH300, 01-23-2005 10:43:13  
You probably should take a few minutes and study what goes on in the TA!

Let's just say welding the ORC wouldn't work worth a darn if you expect to have a 2 speed unit when you're done!



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