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Dan's Ag. Repai

02-06-2005 20:18:33




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A guy came to the shop the other day and said he needed a filter for an 874. we never heard of such a model. we thought maybe an 884. he said he was serious it was an 874. did they ever make this tractor? if so what happened to the production of it.




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CNKS

02-07-2005 09:32:16




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 Re: 874 in reply to Dan's Ag. Repair, 02-06-2005 20:18:33  
I can be corrected, but I believe the 84 series were made in the Doncaster Plant in England. I believe Guy Fay said a while back that no one had a complete list of ALL the IH tractors built, so there could be a 874, although as stated, it is likely a 784, etc. Ken Updike"s data book lists all 1939-1985 IH tractors, but I believe these are only US made. He does not include the 84 series.



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Hugh MacKay

02-07-2005 10:07:30




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 Re: 874 in reply to CNKS, 02-07-2005 09:32:16  
CNKS: I stand corrected, I should have used the word European rather than German. I actually think 74 and 84 series tractors were a combined effort of Doncaster and Neuss. The engines are German.



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CNKS

02-07-2005 12:34:26




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 Re: 874 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-07-2005 10:07:30  
Hugh, My former employer bought a 784 in I believe 1979, I think it was sent from England on a rowboat, took several months to get it, I agree with the German engine. At the time I wrote up specs for a competing JD, one spec was for 38 inch rears (the 784 used 36's). The dealer my boss dealt with said it could be equipped with 38's, so it turned out red instead of green. The larger tires messed up the ground speeds, perhaps in part leading us to finally get rid of it to the lowest bidder. Seems this was about the time of the US IH strike -- don't know what that had to do with it. Other than ours, I have never heard anything bad about the 84 series, but for whatever reason, the one we got was a lemon--thought they all were that way until I started reading this forum.

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Hugh MacKay

02-07-2005 13:13:51




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 Re: 874 in reply to CNKS, 02-07-2005 12:34:26  
CNKS You don't seem to mention the 74 series, did IH not sell them in the US? We had two 74 series tractors in our buyers guide, being the 574 and 674, don't know if that was the complete line up in Europe. They became an extreemly popular tractor in my area with livestock farmers growing hay only, for basically 7 months stored feeding. Because the wheelbase was shorter than Farmalls they became a bit hit on 9'haybines and balers with throwers

The 574 and 674 are basically same specs as 584 and 684, sheet metal styleing being the only difference. I think I would have bought one of these tractors had I been in the market for that kind of horse power. These tractors had exceptional ground clearence, great around large windrows of hay. For the guy used to 5 speed with TA that free wheeled, these tractors offered 8 and 4 plus TA that did not free wheel, giving 16 foreward and 8 reverse, same as the larger 06, 56, 66 and 86 series tractors. The one that turned me off on these was being used to 6 cylinders in that hp class.

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CNKS

02-07-2005 18:33:26




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 Re: 874 in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-07-2005 13:13:51  
Hugh, I'm not at all familiar with the 74 series, and really can't say anything about those I either haven't seen, read about, or find listed in any of my books (not accurate sometimes). The only exception to that is if there is a question about year of manufacture, HP, etc, I have Ken Updikes's data book that I believe lists only US built tractors, thus no 74 series.



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Hugh MacKay

02-07-2005 04:34:02




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 Re: 874 in reply to Dan's Ag. Repair, 02-06-2005 20:18:33  
Dan: Prior to the 84 series tractors, at least here in Canada we got a 74 series, quite similar to the 84 series tractors except not as many models. I have a 1975 Canadian IH buyers guide, and it shows 574 and 674. If you look at the specs on these two tractors they are basically 584 and 684 respectively. Sheet metal about the only thing different.

Back in 1975 IH were moving to replace US built Farmalls with these German built tractors in the line up. I just wonder if there were also 774 and 874, not officially brought to North America by IH. That being the case, good chance most parts for 784 and 884 will fit. Good chance 874 and 884 are the same tractor.

There were times in the past 40 years where it paid European Immigrants handsomly to import their tractors when they immigrated to Canada. I expect the same was true of European immigrants going to US. It all depended the value of currencies at time of immigration. A few booboos were made, some brought models never officially imported by the manufacturer. Most dealers accomodated these guys quite quickly. They figured if the guy had enough net worth to move family and farm equipment across the puddle, he wasn't a potential customer to ignor.

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the tractor vet

02-06-2005 20:30:14




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 Re: 874 in reply to Dan's Ag. Repair, 02-06-2005 20:18:33  
I sure have never heard of that one , must be a GRAY MARKET tractor. Don't know where you are from but when i was travling the sale curcit i saw some gray market tractor comming in down south , saw a 4430 that came in from France and a 1086 from Germany and a 750 Deere dozer from somewhere across the pond.



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JOSSETTE

02-06-2005 20:50:03




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 Re: 874 in reply to the tractor vet, 02-06-2005 20:30:14  
there is a 784 maybe he got the numbers wrong



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the tractor vet

02-06-2005 21:10:19




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 Re: 874 in reply to JOSSETTE, 02-06-2005 20:50:03  
I know that but like i said i may be one from overseas. as i do not know all them foriegn tractors .



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Novel Idea Guy

02-07-2005 09:28:03




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 Re: 874 in reply to the tractor vet, 02-06-2005 21:10:19  
You know, I think I recall seeing an 874 in a book somewhere.



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JB2

02-07-2005 18:01:46




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 Re: 874 in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 02-07-2005 09:28:03  
Hi, this is what I remember about 40 to 75HP IH tractors marketted in Canada:
About 1965 - 624,724,824 all built in Neuss Germany.
About 1970 - 454,464,574,674 all build in UK but had Neuss built Diesels engines. Never saw a 774 or 874 but that dosen't mean they didn't exist.
Later these became 484,584,684 the the 784 and 884 were added. The 884s were rare as most farmers requiring 75 + HP went with the 986 or 1086 models with the 6 cylinder Diesels.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong.
JB2

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