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r4etired

02-11-2005 18:13:53




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I have restored a lot of farmall tractors Started in 1972. The only paint failure I had was an F-30, I did't own a sand blaster at that time so I was going to eliminate a lot of hand work with paint stripper.Six months after I painted it with Dupont Centari I noticed paint was coming loose on the cast iron not on the sheet metal, I had the paint rep come out to look. The stripper had penetrated the cast and was working back to the surface. lifting the primer and paint as it lifted . I would never never use paint stripper again.

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Gordo

02-13-2005 08:01:19




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to r4etired, 02-11-2005 18:13:53  
What kind of primer did you use? Did you use a metal prep solution? The BEST modern approach to old bare metal is acid etch primer. Then withinn 48 hours a paint primer, or primer surfacer if you are going to "WORK" Steel items. On cast you still need the two primers.Doesn't matter if you sanded, stripped, or blasted them. The Nason etch primer is about 35 dollars for a quart of primer and a quart of conditioner (acid mixture).

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lee

02-11-2005 19:05:28




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to r4etired, 02-11-2005 18:13:53  
You just have to clean it all off. Final wash with soap and hot water. Use bare metal prep solution and or final clean with solvent prior to paint.



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Alvin NE WI

02-11-2005 18:41:48




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to r4etired, 02-11-2005 18:13:53  
Where can you find a stripper to do that kind of work? I don't have that luck.



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big fred

02-11-2005 23:01:53




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to Alvin NE WI, 02-11-2005 18:41:48  
I dunno, I heard of some places that do topless car washes, but I ain't heard of anyplace you can find strippers that will get the paint off yer tractor.



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CNKS

02-11-2005 19:32:09




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to Alvin NE WI, 02-11-2005 18:41:48  
I use a combination of stripper, pressure washing and then wire brushing afterwards. Also NaOH (oven cleaner). If you don't sandblast, the cast needs to be etched anyway (I realize some people disagree) for good paint adhesion. The wire brushing should do enough of the etching, but I usually use a phosphoric acid product also (Picklex 20). There is no magic bullet (one step process) that will get ALL the paint off and prepare the surface for painting at the same time, unless you sandblast. I'm not necessarily advocating sandblasting. That's another discussion.

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CNKS

02-11-2005 18:28:51




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to r4etired, 02-11-2005 18:13:53  
Cast is porous. When washed thoroughly with a pressure washer afterwards, it shouldn't be a problem. Being somewhat impatient, it never sits more than 30 minutes or so. I used it on the tractor I am currently working on, but I also used a phosphoric acid product to prevent rust and etch the metal, along with a wire brush on an angle grinder, followed by several hand applied applications of wax and grease remover to get the cast clean (PPG DX 330). I don't expect any problems. If the paint comes off, you can say "I told you so".

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Joe from Tn

02-11-2005 18:17:30




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to r4etired, 02-11-2005 18:13:53  
After you used the stripper, how long did you let it set and lift. The stripper not the paint.



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Paul_NJ

02-12-2005 06:03:24




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to Joe from Tn, 02-11-2005 18:17:30  
I've had good luck using oven cleaner, which is just sodium hydroxide, or lye, in water, with some sort of chemical to help it stick to the surface. Oven cleaner is just easier and safer to handle - but you probably could just mix up lye and paint it on. Because it is water soluble, it can be washed off easily using a pressure washer. Getting the residue off of whatever you use is critical to getting good primer adhesion.

The problem with paint stripper is that is is solvent based, and takes solvent to remove it's residue. Did you ever strip a piece of wood, and then go back with solvent and a rag? There's a lot of residue that comes off till it's clean. That's why the wood stripper makers sell an after strip cleaner. Even though wood's obviously more porout than steel, you still need to get the residue off before painting.

Another thing I found is that you can't just wire brush paint off and then prime. Try wiping down a shiny surface that you've just brushed with a wire wheel, with a rag dipped in solvent - it's amazing how much surface residue comes off. Particularly so with cast. I think a fast turning wire wheel burnishes the residue onto the surface. If the primer is going to stick as well as it should, the surface has to be physically clean, not just shiny.

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CNKS

02-12-2005 08:26:46




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 Re: Paint stripper in reply to Paul_NJ, 02-12-2005 06:03:24  
I agree, I don't advocate wire brushing and painting afterward without cleaning the cast. It takes many applications of solvent before the rag comes back clean. A hot water pressure washer would probably come in handy after wire brushing, unfortunately I don't have one, or a place to use it if I did, as my tractors are pretty well immobile at that point, and I can't use a pressure washer inside. So--I just scrub a lot.

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