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Super M Trans/Rear Axle

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gusc

02-15-2005 16:25:27




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When I got it a few months ago the PO said it needed more Trans oil because he didn't have enough.

I bought more and decided that I would open the drain plug to drain any wateron the bottom. I didn't want to waste the new oil on top of cruddy old oil and water.

Of course there was lots of water, all the 7 gallons of oil came out creamy. I flushed it with gas and lots more crud came out, some as thick as tar.

I pulled some crud out with my finger and found a couple of roller bearings! I'm going to be optimistic here and figure that they are from a long ago breakdown (I hope) because it runs like a champ and makes no strange noises.

Moral of the story; there is probably always water in the trans/axle because it is inside a huge cast steel heat sink and collects moisture every time it gets really cold and warms up again.

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captaink

02-16-2005 10:19:27




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 Re: Super M Trans/Rear Axle in reply to gusc, 02-15-2005 16:25:27  
I would strongly suggest taking it apart to get a good look at all the bearings, and make sure that there are no more pieces “floating” around in there. There isn’t much room between the bull gears and the case, balls and rollers wedging in there can cause bad damage.

My 2 cents.



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Opa A

02-16-2005 09:19:40




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 Re: Left overs in reply to gusc, 02-15-2005 16:25:27  
Had the same thing with a customners JD 8440 year and a half ago. Tractor in for a full inspection, same as JD "Green Light". I pulled the suction screen out of the torque divider housing and found a broken 1/2" bolt. Advised customer of the bolt and where it could have come from, for piece of mind he wanted it checked out. After splitting the tractor and disassembling the torque divider I also found parts of a shift fork. Nothing was wrong in the transmission or the torque divider, I replaced a couple of questionable bearings and reassembled the tractor. Oh I also found a 3/8" nut with green paint at the clutch housing suction screen, knew it had to have come from outside the clutch housing so we didn't go into the clutch. We went back to the guy who had sold the tractor at auction and he showed us invoices for last transmission and clutch work done by the local JOHN DEERE DEALERSHIP. He had paid through the nose to have the work done, and they were too darn lazy to to clean the pieces out from the origional problem, and let extra pieces get into the clutch housing (they probably charged him for the extra nut in the clutch housing)! I'd sometimes put more faith in a farmer doing his own fixes. Sorry to be so long winded, but it gets me wound up. Check where those ball bearings may have come from. my 2cents

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Randy SE-MN

02-16-2005 05:17:40




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 Re: Super M Trans/Rear Axle in reply to gusc, 02-15-2005 16:25:27  
In regards to cleaning out the rearend of the tractor, the Farmall Manual suggests to drop a gallon or so of olid lube and add a gallun or so of kerosene and drive it awhile. I've never tried it, but I imagine that's the ticket.



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Allan in NE

02-16-2005 05:22:03




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 Re: Super M Trans/Rear Axle in reply to Randy SE-MN, 02-16-2005 05:17:40  
Hi Randy,

I dump in 5 gallons of diesel fuel and either jack 'em up and let 'er run in road gear or run it around the place for a spell.

Works just like an old agitator washing machine. Cleans them pretty well.

Allan



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gusc

02-16-2005 18:34:43




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 Re: Super M Trans/Rear Axle in reply to Allan in NE, 02-16-2005 05:22:03  
Allan,

These are roller bearings, not ball, maybe 1/4" in diameter. The drain plug is not on the bottom but on the rear of the axle case and is at least an inch from the case bottom. It is very easy to drain the case many times and never flush out anything heavy. I had to dig down just inside the drain hole with my finger to find the rollers.

I'm still enough of an optimist to think they were in there for a long time, especially since there are only two of them. If something recently came apart I would expect a bunch of rollers plus a pile of shrapnel and the tractor is making no strange noises.

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Allan in NE

02-15-2005 17:38:52




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 Re: Super M Trans/Rear Axle in reply to gusc, 02-15-2005 16:25:27  
Boy, I dunno Gus,

Don"t ya think that if those ball bearings were from a "long-ago fix" that someone would have "fished" "em outta there at the time of repair?

They would have had to have had the oil drained out of the tractor if they were a fixin", seems to me and why in the world, would anyone leave those loose cast-iron crackin" balls rollin" around in there?

Hope not, but sure seems odd to me.

Allan

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Paul A.

02-16-2005 03:50:17




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 Re: Super M Trans/Rear Axle in reply to Allan in NE, 02-15-2005 17:38:52  
I agree with Allen, I had the lid off my 'M' a couple years ago and found a ball from a bearing in the bottom. It was from one of the axle bearings (behind the bull gears). It would probably be a good idea to pop the lid and check things out, at least it would put your mind at ease. And, while the top is off, you can clean ALL the crud out of the bottom! Paul.



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Novel Idea Guy

02-15-2005 20:27:43




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 Re: Super M Trans/Rear Axle in reply to Allan in NE, 02-15-2005 17:38:52  
Ya never know... Last farmer to work on it might've been too cheap/poor/lazy to drain the oil, and just pulled the top off. Oops, dropped a bearing down in there... Can't see it... Ah heck, it ain't goin nowhere...



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