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Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine

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MACE

02-18-2005 19:17:53




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Hello,

Let me start by saying that I am a complete novice to measuring bearings and engine parts. I have disassembled a C113 engine and am trying to determine what size bearings that I need to order. I have the IH8 Farmall shop manual which says that the crankpin diameter should be 1.7495. My crankpins measure (all four of them) to be 1.7200 as measured with dial calipers. So what bearings should I choose as replacements? Am I doing this correctly so far?

Thanks,

MACE

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Opa A

02-19-2005 18:19:09




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to MACE, 02-18-2005 19:17:53  
You're on the right track. All the comments below are also good advise. Your crankshaft should also be stamped with the undersize that the machine shop ground it to. If it has been running with .030 under bearings and they look as good as you say, then you will have no problem reinstalling .030 under bearings. Plastigage them as you are reassembling. Part numbers for main bearing set is 575M-30 in Federal-Mogul or MS2459P-30 in TRW. Part number for rod bearings are 1795CP-30 in Federal-Mogul or CB386P-30. The -30 in the part numbers indicates .030" under standard size.

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El Toro

02-19-2005 10:52:59




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to MACE, 02-18-2005 19:17:53  
I forgot to mention your main bearings. You need to measure the main bearing journals too. The shaft should measure 2.1245" unless it is worn.
They recommend .0015" to .003" clearance. I would keep that clearance between .001" and .0015". You can get undersize bearings in
.001" &.002". I used .002" undersize on my A
on both the rods and mains since it had never been ground undersize and I had the shaft polished
at my local machine shop. Hal

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El Toro

02-19-2005 10:24:38




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to MACE, 02-18-2005 19:17:53  
Your local machine shop or local automotive store
that handles Federal-Mogul parts can get your bearings. If you have a problem call 1-800-325-8886 for Federal-Mogul technical assistance. They can tell you who sells their products in your
area. They have sleeve and piston kits and bearing inserts. Hal



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ddg

02-19-2005 06:55:36




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to MACE, 02-18-2005 19:17:53  
While the pan"s off, you ought to take one of your main bearing caps off & look at those too. I was into my early "48 SA last month, and found the original mains stamped "Std. 8-47" They were standard size. The journals looked good, and I couldn"t eyeball or feel any slop, so I put new Std. inserts back in. The originals had very little if any wear. Carrying good oil pressure so close enough I guess. My rod bearings were std"s also with very little wear, & replaced with same. Runs smooth & quiet.

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El Toro

02-19-2005 05:15:30




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to MACE, 02-18-2005 19:17:53  
Look at your old rod inserts to see if there is any printing or stamping. This shaft may have
been ground undersize do to a past bearing failure. Some inserts have the undersize stamped
on them. Take it to a machine shop. Hal



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MACE

02-19-2005 09:04:24




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to El Toro, 02-19-2005 05:15:30  
I took some advice and looked at the back of one of my inserts. It showed the description of (030US) along with some other part #.

Thanks for all the advice so far fellers...

MACE



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MACE

02-19-2005 06:03:54




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to El Toro, 02-19-2005 05:15:30  
Hal,

That thought did cross my mind about the crankshaft being ground down. When I got into the engine, I found the crankpins to be in very good shape as far as I could tell, they look as if it is new crankshaft. The measurements are the same on all crank pins. I measured in three locations on the outsides and in the middle and came up with the same measurement. I noticed that someone had been in the engine before me due to the blue cylicone sealant in the engine. When I got the tractor, the rods and pistons had been removed. Thank you for the advice so far and for the tip to look at the bearings themselves. The bearings did not look in bad shape at all. The pistons were removed due to wear and from what I could tell some scoring on one of the cylinder walls. I notices that a chunk, about 1/2 square inch, of one of the cylinders was missing and assume it was drained out with the oil as I have cleaned the entire engine and found no metal. Do you think that I may be able to take a plastiguage and measure my clearances? If they coinside with what the book says, then my bearings may be ok. I would rather put new ones in, but I may have trouble finding the ones that I need.

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MACE

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riverbend

02-19-2005 06:51:00




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to MACE, 02-19-2005 06:03:54  
You can check the crank and bearing clearence with plastigage. If the clearence checks out, and the crank and shells are really 'like new', it should be fine the way it is. Be sure to keep everything spotless - just like you were putting the engine together for real.

If you use new bearings, you will have to plastigage them too. Check with your local IH dealer for +0.030" bearings. They should be easy to find.

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dr.sportster

02-19-2005 05:00:05




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to MACE, 02-18-2005 19:17:53  
A dial caliper wil not give an accurate enough reading.Notice the specs go to the ten thousands of an inch.You need a vernier mike to check that out.Your crank cant be worn 29 thousands.You might have to send this out.This is critical measurment and the life of the engine depends on it being correctly done.



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El Toro

02-19-2005 04:20:16




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 Re: Piston rod bearings on a Farmall A C113 engine in reply to MACE, 02-18-2005 19:17:53  
Hi Mace, According to your measurements you'll
need .030" undersize insert bearings. 1.7495-1.7200= .0295"; I would take that crankshaft to
an automotive machine shop to verify your measurements and to see what the condition of the bearing surfaces are. They will tell you in a few minutes whether the shaft needs any machining and what undersize bearings are recommended. You need close tolerances on the main bearings too, so you have good oil pressure. Hal

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