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Shepherd_Bill

02-21-2005 12:42:12

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I don't remember having problems with the drawbars on the H & M my Dad had. However, as I look at Hs & Ms now, I see a lot of welding to brace and repair both the sationary and swing drawbars. Is this a common problem? Are there any clean used drawbars out there?

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Shepherd_Bill

02-22-2005 14:03:27

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-21-2005 12:42:12

Thanks everyone for their reply. I probably just don't remember it being a problem on Dad's H & M. After all I haven't seen those tractors for 50 years. Just got a '48 H to help me remember. BTW, I live in western Colorado, a long way from Des Moine. I'm not very literate on the number series, did the 400 succeed the M & the 300 the H?

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td-6

02-22-2005 15:52:48

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-22-2005 14:03:27

Yes, the series runs: Farmall M, Super M, Super MTA, 400,450, and 560. These tractors all use the same basic transmission, final drives, axles, and engines, (except the 560 engine) from 1939 to 1963. There were changes but they were all based on the original M.
The H series started with the H in 1939, then the Super H, then the 300, 350, and 460, all using the basic H components, again with updates and changes. The 460 also changed with the 6 cylinder engine as did the 560.

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td-6

02-21-2005 19:58:40

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-21-2005 12:42:12

I have a good drawbar with swinging drawbar off my 400 I might sell. No welds, but some wear. I"ll have to check again tomorrow for exact condition if you"re interested. Located NW of Des Moines, IA.

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F-Dean

02-21-2005 16:26:08

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-21-2005 12:42:12

We broke our M drawbar using a two-wheel manure spreader. They put a temendous load on the center of the drawbar. I am sure other implements did the same.

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williamf

02-21-2005 15:59:52

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-21-2005 12:42:12

After a generation or so wear starts to show.
On my '46 H, which is older even than I, the top layer of drawbar has a pretty noticable dip in the center, right where the roller of the swinging drawbar rides. A previous owner welded a second drawbar the whole way around for reinforcement. Since I use it mostly for pulling a fairly heavy single axle dump tailer I hung the roller on the wall and did a little more build up. The swinging bar doesn't swing now, put it still slides front to back. I had to have the swinging bar staightened and a piece welded to the bottom of it, too. And the holes at each end built up.
Wm

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 16:21:31

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to williamf, 02-21-2005 15:59:52

Hey William,

That looks pretty darned sharp! Good job!

Allan

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Andy Martin

02-21-2005 13:20:38

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-21-2005 12:42:12

I understand the center hole in most drawbars is not standard. That is where they usually bend and break. I have had good luck welding broken drawbars up, including the center hole. I pull a 69-bale NH bale wagon which puts a lot of tongue load on an M.

If you want a "factory" drawbar, scarf off all the old weld and build it back up. A little grinding and no one needs to know.

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randy hall

02-21-2005 17:44:15

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Andy Martin, 02-21-2005 13:20:38

where did you ever get the idea that the hole in the middle wasn't standard?

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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2005 19:50:19

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to randy hall, 02-21-2005 17:44:15

randy: Andy is right a few of those drawbars did not have hole at center. I don't recall exactly which tractors, but do remember we had a drawbar with no hole at center. I have also seen couple others.

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Andy Martin

02-21-2005 18:12:49

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to randy hall, 02-21-2005 17:44:15

I think I read it on here a few years ago.

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Bob Frey

02-21-2005 13:01:22

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-21-2005 12:42:12

The M's and H's that we farmed with did the same thing. I kind of like the built up drawbar on my tractors because that is the way that I remember them being as we farmed with them. It's kind of hard to find any in salvage yards that aren't repaired.

Bob

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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2005 12:58:41

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Re: drawbars on letter series in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 02-21-2005 12:42:12

Bill: My dad had a policy of welding 1" right across cross bar, and the back end 3 to 4 feet of the swinging draw bar. Basically doubling the thickness of both. That happened usually new before they went to the field. That was very common practice amoung farmers using two wheeled trailer with a lot of tongue weight.

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