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Oh Brother! Need help again....

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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 18:15:14




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HI Guys,

Can anyone get me a picture of the tip-out tool box (how it is mounted) on a 686 with a 310 German engine?

Got a feller on the line who says if I get him a picture, he can get me the box.

Thanks,

Allan




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RustyFarmall

02-22-2005 07:26:55




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 18:15:14  
Allan, let me step in here and moderate this discussion a little bit, I totally understand why you want the original tool box, you want your tractors to be as original as possible, just like they were when delivered to the first owner. I kinda like them that way myself, but I also need to stick up for Hugh a little bit, those factory installed tool boxes were always kind of a pain to use and never were big enough to hold everything you needed. I think Hugh found a very good use for the original tool box. Must be the same reason that so many farm sales I have attended have the factory tool boxes on the hayrack and the tractor itself has a nice BIG aftermarket tool box mounted to the frame. Let's all just be friends here, Quite a few of us have "been there, done that" We all know what we are talking about.

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Sloroll

02-22-2005 08:03:17




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 Oh Brother! in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-22-2005 07:26:55  
He didn't ask for the best tool box just the origional one. Great if no one thinks they are good! That is what makes the complete origional tractor special, hard to find, desireable, unique! The search is most of the fun of collecting. I find book after book of "somewhat" restored tractors. I like to find the origional to look over. Most of the questions on this post are asking "what is origional?" How do I place?" "What is this?" We can make this whole board go away for the people that just want a running IH Whatever. Just go buy a IH service manual! No one will ever have to post again. If you come here to read about people progressing on their projects and friendship then it will be a sad day when the discussion board closes down. I wake up in the morning and wonder what my "friends" here are up to. I just don't think I will feel the same way about rolling out of bed and rushing downstairs to grab my IT manual. AS far as money. I don't know if Allen is wealthy or not. Don't care I like him. I hope he has money and is willing to spend his hard "Earned" dollars on what ever his fluttering little heart desires as I wish the same for you all. You can't take it with you. I've seen people try. They usually end up being screwed into their graves by a bunch of people that wish they were at home watching the game or working on their tractor rather than standing over a mound of dirt. That being said. I do thank "ALL" the contributers to this board. I have learned much and saved some really big bucks by not buying all the service manuals I would have needed.

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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2005 03:15:36




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 18:15:14  
Allan: I'm beginning to wonder if you actually know anything about tractors. At any given time you seem to have 2 or 3 threads going with some of the most nonsence questions I've ever seen on here. Questions that even the most novice of guys with any mechanical appitude could figure out for themselves. You gave me quite a lecture one day on just how much help you can be to people.

Take this thread for example, anyone who didn't know what to do with those flip out tool boxes after they flipped open for the 5th time. in 1967, and had lost $25. worth of wrenches, wasn't exactly the sharpest knife in drawer. I spiked mine to the shop wall, divided it in 3 sections and used it to store mower knives, rivits, ledgers, etc. I expect likely its still there.

I suggest the real reason your on here, is a little trip you have trying to impress these guys how much money you have to throw around on your toys. I guess by the amount of responce you get, some guys are into that type of activity. My opinion is you do nothing more than put questions of some poor guy trying to do something himself onto page 2 or 3 or 4.

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MichaelNEIowa

02-22-2005 09:42:54




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2005 03:15:36  
I have to agree with Hugh on this one.

Alan often spams the board with nonsensical stuff (e.g., bad hard drive, etc.). Once in a while he does post some good info too.

Maybe we need a new "chat & chew" board for the non-tech discussions?



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Hound

02-22-2005 07:26:56




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2005 03:15:36  
This one is shaping up kind of uncomfortable, on one hand, you have one of the most popular and entertaining guys here, lining up with a guy that is without a doubt one of the most knowledgeable. No winners here as far as I'm concerned, no matter what happens. I'd rather go back and witness the old scrap with T-Bone (or his supporters) and therealron any day.

As far as I can see, you guys are the exact polar opposites. On one hand you have a guy that that spends a bit on his old girls to make your head turn as you drive past his place and the other that has the ability to spends, if necessary to make himself smile in the back forty while working. In the end, both for their own personal satisfaction.

As far as spending the money goes, you guys that sell off your spare parts and torn down tractors smile when you get a good dollar for them..... remember, theirs a guy like Allen on the other end, buying that original dohicky showing us, what it takes to put those old tractors back to original condition. Nobody has gone to a show and not admired a tractor that is restored like that. Farming dollars hasn't restored that one, but selling those parts isn't farming either.

One guy "has been there and done that" and shares that with us. He comes here (I assume) to pass the time of day and to help us out when he feels that he can contribute. I think that, we all appreciate that. One guy was forced out, and would like to go back to what he had. Nothing wrong with either ones motivation and intent.

One initiates posts and responds regularly, sometimes about the.....well, without the context of what "yesterdays tractors" was initially intended, I would think. But the mass majority, I'm assuming again, read the posts, drink a bit of coffee well reading them and go on with life none the wiser. If you haven't learned anything from Hugh's posts, your simply a liar.

It seems one would always have a smile and a friendly personality and the other, I don't think I would want to screw with his TA on his 1066 or else.., but he would take the time and teach you everything about the TA, if you wanted to learn and he thought that you were worthy.

A lot of guys (me in this group) post frequently asked questions or posts about trying to do something themselves, and to get to the "level" of guys, like Hugh. Not a lot of traffic on pages 3,4,5,. Been there, project gets delayed or we have to go to other "avenues". That kind of stinks, because you know that there is help here.

Just like the two guys here, there will be a lot of support for both sides of this one, one side will have a lot of posted support and the other side will, just simply node there head at the screen, in support.

These forums wouldn't be the same without either one. I don't know how to end two things, this post or this situation. ...polar opposites. Hound

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Kelly C

02-22-2005 08:34:25




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hound, 02-22-2005 07:26:56  
Well said.
I like both these guys.
Hugh reminds me of my Grandfather ( Not to imply you are old or any thing Hugh :-). Has a wealth and breadth of knowledge. I pay attention when he talks. Kind of rough around the edges.

Allen reminds me of... Well... ME.
If we lived by each other we would be hanging out
talking tractors.

Polar opposites would be a good description.



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kopeck

02-22-2005 14:40:49




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Kelly C, 02-22-2005 08:34:25  
Ditto on what Kelly said.

If I see Allan's or Hugh's name on a thread 9 time out of 10 I read it. With out the both of them this place would be a bt slow.

I lurk and only post when I seem a person that needs some help and no one's got to them yet, these guys seem to on top of everything...

K



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scotty

02-22-2005 08:13:36




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hound, 02-22-2005 07:26:56  
Hello Hound, Well stated!!! Read this post earlier today and decided to stay away, until I read your post that put things into perspective and made sense. Thanks for putting my thoughts to words!


scotty



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Jay (ND)

02-22-2005 06:45:46




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2005 03:15:36  
I remember clearly that the cadence in boot camp went "Here we go again, same old crap again"

Seems to work everywhere.



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Allan in NE

02-22-2005 05:38:55




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2005 03:15:36  
Mornin' Hugh,

Well now, that’s twice you’ve jumped me in as many days. Just what seems to be the problem, anyway?

1. I sure don't recall ever giving you a lecture over anything nor have I ever intended to.

2. I agree, one of the two of us is a total blow-hard and tries to push one heck of a lot of smoke.

3. My finances are absolutely none of your concern. Please don't worry yourself about it.

4. Yes, you're right. I oftentimes originate a thread just to get a discussion going; if this is unwarranted, I can certainly stop the practice.

On the other hand, I notice you never originate anything but rather just lurk and 'pounce' on people.

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2005 17:31:12




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-22-2005 05:38:55  
Allan: I have taken the time to read all the posts on this thread, plus the thread you've started since I went away this morning. I am going to start at the end of this post and work my way back to the beginning.

Your right, I don't originate a lot of threads. Probably due to the fact I'm not restoring, rebuilding, etc. any tractors. I have 3 tractors SA, 130 and 140. Actually the 140 is my son's project, I just use it and do all the maintaimence. The SA is my baby, other than the alternator it is 100% original. My 130 is a parts tractor, or at least it's been headed that way 3 times, when suddenly I came across the needed parts for next to nothing. Like a steering box for $10. My wife asks both Sandy and I why we bother with these tractors. He never even looks at them, and I do little more than need be with them. That kind of use really doesn't require a lot of advice. To me the real hobby is not restoring tractors, but rather on here with you guys.

You know, I have really never found your threads or posts to be anything but genuine. You do have one bad little habit. While you say your finances are none of my business. How I wish that were true. You bombard us everyday with what you paid for this tractor, that tractor, how much your going to spend on it. I could go on and on but that wouldn't serve any purpose. Inflation across North America has over the years been driven by attitudes like yours. A lot of these guys on here are tractor owners by the skin of their teeth. They don't need inflation. Seems like everytime we old farm boys, ( and yes you are one and so am I) got a raise in milk, beef, grain, etc. corperate America was standing there with their hand out, wanting more for tractors, fuel, fertilizer, seed, etc. It is ingrained in us to fight inflation, it has been our survival. Yes I went to school, even ag college, but most of my education came from the school of hard knocks. I think you know what I am talking about. I survived some of what you didn't, sometimes I wish I hadn't. I can afford to enjoy myself today, but I don't. Just think there may not be enough in the kitty to see me out. I've seen down turns before.

Now you go on and keep these guys up with their information. Just cool that money talk. Whether you know it or not, you are kind of a breath of fresh air here at YT. Five years ago most of the guys on here wouldn't have cracked a smile if someone broke wind in church. That is what I was up against when I came. Lordy, lordy, lordy these guys were a serious bunch. You keep up the good work and don't be talking that foolish talk about going somewhere else, just because some crochity old fart like me tore into you. Most of these guys on here know I'm going to tear into someone every second month. My dad had a passion for excellence. I received a permium for quality on milk every single month of my career as a dairy farmer. I stood behind a grain wagon one night, two of my employees didn't realize I was there. The older hand said the the younger guy, " You better smarten or your not going to have a job. MacKay is damn fussy and he will fire you. This young lad had been doing seed bed prep.

And Allan the flip out tool box was not standard equipment. My 1066 didn't have one, and yes as a $20. option it did matter.

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Allan in NE

02-22-2005 18:45:13




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2005 17:31:12  
Hi Hugh,

Guess I just like hangin' out around you IH guys 'cause it makes me feel at home without all the hassles and pressures of life & livin' these days. Farm people are just good, decent folks and I like bein' around 'em.

I swear to you that I didn't know I was doing that; the money thing, I mean. If I was, it was a totally subconscious thing going on.

But, still and all, I'm treadin' on some pretty thin ice even being here on this board; I am not a collector in any sense of the word. I could care less about these darned things. They are just tractors; that's all they are. Common as an everyday pair of shoes.

They are just tools to me and I'm putting these old tractors back together to work and I'm buildin' them to be in the same condition just as my other tractors were the day the damned banker sold me out.

So, if I responded to you in a knee-jerk fashion this morning, I can assure you that it was because I've milked those cows, I loaded the shi! and I've done the whole, complete farm thing; all of my life, save these last 23 years of pure agony.

I've been there and I've done that. So, to be honest, I guess it was from my "farm sale ghosts" kicking in and certainly not from anything personal with you.

You're the rich one Hugh, you got to stay on the dirt. I'd give everything I own in this world to be back down there on the farm.

Thanks for responding, I'm just sorry this had to spill over where those other guys could see it. They didn't deserve this bit of dirty laundry.

Allan

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Hayshaker

02-23-2005 06:49:01




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-22-2005 18:45:13  
This kind of reminds me of the farmers at the local cafe, sometimes the discussions get a little heated. I am not one to start many threads but have put my two cents worth on a few occasions. For the last couple of years I have enjoyed this forum and Al and Hugh have been great contributors to it. Sometimes I have learned some great life philosophies as well as the technical Farmall info. I was raised with Farmalls, worked for an IH dealaership, and farmed with Farmalls myself, and it amazes me what I still don't know about them. Please keep up the forum as a lot of people respect and enjoy your contributions to this forum.

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Hugh MacKay

02-22-2005 22:06:58




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-22-2005 18:45:13  
Allan: You have a good point, click on my name and send me an e mail. I am leaving for Detroit in a few min. but should be home by mid day.



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Sloroll

02-22-2005 07:26:24




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-22-2005 05:38:55  
:? )



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Josh H

02-22-2005 06:47:35




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-22-2005 05:38:55  
I enjoy your posts, and often read one just because i see your name. Keep it up!
Josh



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Brian in NY

02-22-2005 06:13:19




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-22-2005 05:38:55  
Allan,

You just keep doin what you are doin.

You are one of the main reasons I come and visit this board. Your posts are always interesting and usually informative. I don't care how much or how little $ anybody on this board has to throw around...or how the throw it...the point of these boards is that it is kinda like the old diner...we all line up at the counter and tell our tales and give/receive advice...etc. Take what you want from the time you are here and leave the rest alone.

Sounds like ol' Hugh needs to try to regain his perspective and enjoy life.

Don't let one ol' sour puss get you down.

If he doesn't want to read your posts he can just pass on by.

Sorry but I have no pics of the tool box nor access to the right tractor.

Good luck though...I am sure someone will come through.

Brian

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Andy Martin

02-22-2005 05:28:35




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2005 03:15:36  
:-)



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Sloroll

02-22-2005 03:46:04




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-22-2005 03:15:36  
By destroying your box Hugh you made mine more valuable and... harder to find. That is what collecting is all about. One mans junk.... Good luck with the search Allan.



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Ernie Bob

02-21-2005 22:08:19




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 18:15:14  
Allen;

I have a flip out tool box that I'm not sure what it fits, if you're interested I could take a picture and send it to you. Tell me what this guy is asking and I probably could beat his price. I'm not blocked if you want to reply directly.

Thanks!
Ernie Bob



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Allan in NE

02-22-2005 05:58:33




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Ernie Bob, 02-21-2005 22:08:19  
Hi Ernie,

I don't have a clue as to how they are supposed to mount up on a 686; George says they go under the platform on the right side? I assumed that they would be the same as a 656, but I guess that's wrong.

Casey said he would shoot me a picture this morning and if yours will fit, I'd really be interested in it.

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it.

Allan



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George 2

02-21-2005 18:55:00




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 18:15:14  
It is mounted under the platform on the right hand side exactly where you put your right foot when you are driving. It is mounted just under the edge of the platform. It is mounted the same on all 666 and 686 diesel tractors.



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caseyc

02-21-2005 18:30:01




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 18:15:14  
if it's the same as the 66 i can get a pic of mine. it's right under the battery mounted to the frame. i just went through my pics and there not really a clear one. if nothing turns up by tomorrow i'll go snap one quick. all done with chores tonight.

casey in SD



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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 18:53:42




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to caseyc, 02-21-2005 18:30:01  
Hi Guy,

Same-O, same-O. Can ya hurry up? :>)

Thanks, I appreciate the help!

Allan



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Todd L

02-21-2005 18:24:39




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-21-2005 18:15:14  
Allan I don't know if they are the same or not but my 806 has one of those type of tip out tool boxes you can take a picture of. I would but I don't have any idea how to put a picture on here.



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Allan in NE

02-21-2005 18:52:18




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 Re: Oh Brother! Need help again.... in reply to Todd L, 02-21-2005 18:24:39  
Thanks Todd,

But, your 806 would be a large chassis and the 686 is the smaller guy. Different birds. :>(

Thanks tho,

Allan



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