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Dixieland

02-23-2005 15:17:13

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Can ya'll beleive some knuckleheads paint right on top of grease build up and call the tractor restored??? This is got to be the most stupid way ever to enhance a sell. It's bad enough when the dents ain't taken out first. Oh well, some folks just don't give a hoot.

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NDS

02-24-2005 11:11:54

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Dixieland, 02-23-2005 15:17:13

There are extremes on both ends of this discussion anyone that paints 1940s tractor with super hard super glossy polyurethane paint has certainly not restored it to original condition. Actually paint on the tractors from that era was not that great and masking was not high priority.

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CNKS

02-24-2005 13:30:10

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to NDS, 02-24-2005 11:11:54

Most of us who do this as a serious hobby want them to look better than new. The synthetic enamel IH used in the 40's and 50's was applied without primer and some of the sorriest stuff ever invented -- same with other manufacturers. I imagine it faded in the dark.

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Jrry

02-24-2005 10:55:15

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Dixieland, 02-23-2005 15:17:13

If you take the grease off then you would need to put duck tape on and paint over it. Grease is what holds these old tractors together. LOL

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CNKS

02-24-2005 13:32:31

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Jrry, 02-24-2005 10:55:15

Obviously you have never had one apart -- I am amazed at the quality in those old castings and sheet metal.

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David B

02-23-2005 19:39:02

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Dixieland, 02-23-2005 15:17:13

Here"s one for you- the guy Grandpa bought my B from literally throw paint on it; stood back with a bucket and threw it on. Had a poor looking Super C grill, banged up hood, dents in the gas tank. Didn"t mask a thing.
He asked Dad what we would do with it. Dad said we"d probably restore it. He said, "You mean, put decals on it?" Some folks think a restoration is different than others. And boy, is there a difference!!

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Dixieland

02-24-2005 03:48:47

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to David B, 02-23-2005 19:39:02

Now that is unreal! What gives folks that kind of perception? Oh well, according to all the posts to this discussion no one seems to be too surprised.

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Dixieland

02-24-2005 03:47:35

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to David B, 02-23-2005 19:39:02

Now that is unreal! What gives folks that kind of perception? Oh well, according to all the posts to this discussion no one seems to be too surprised.

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dr.sportster

02-23-2005 20:27:10

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to David B, 02-23-2005 19:39:02

That guy was trying to invent flame paint jobs.

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Dixieland

02-24-2005 04:01:43

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to dr.sportster, 02-23-2005 20:27:10

Musta been on a deadline too!

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Paul in Mich

02-23-2005 16:51:02

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Dixieland, 02-23-2005 15:17:13

Hells Bells, Dixieland, there are some folks out there that accomplish all that with a brush.

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Dixieland

02-23-2005 16:58:54

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Paul in Mich, 02-23-2005 16:51:02

Real quality Huh? Ain't it a doggone shame?

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Nebraska Cowman

02-23-2005 16:06:03

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Dixieland, 02-23-2005 15:17:13

all right now. lets not be calling names. It is a LOT of work to get ALL the grease off and some guys have different prioritys than others. There's plenty room in this hobby for all of us.

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Kelly C

02-23-2005 19:52:59

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-23-2005 16:06:03

I am not going to spend a week strippin a tractor to paint it. Just to have a tree branch scratch it the 1st time to the field.
Its wash it, degrease it with a degreaser then paint the sucker.
Now if the value of my old tractor would increase by about $1000 for a show room shine. Thats what it would get. But the price is pretty much the same ether way give or take a 100 bucks.

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CNKS

02-24-2005 05:14:51

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Kelly C, 02-23-2005 19:52:59

Some people want their tractors to just look red, others want them to be as near perfect as possible. If it's going to get scratched, I don't paint it. Scratches on rust don't show nearly as much as scratches on paint. I paint them to have something to be proud of, to feel that I have accomplished something. That's different from the paint and sell people.

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Kelly C

02-24-2005 05:34:32

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to CNKS, 02-24-2005 05:14:51

I will agree on one thing I have been on some lots that its obvious that they just threw the paint on just before they stuck it out for sale.
Usually its the little fords that get that treatment around here. most IH guys cant be fooled that easy.

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Dixieland

02-24-2005 03:56:20

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Kelly C, 02-23-2005 19:52:59

Why bother at all if the value don't increase? If you expect an increase in value, increase the value by doing it right! Remove the dadgum grease build up. It ain't that much trouble.

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CNKS

02-23-2005 17:38:20

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-23-2005 16:06:03

Yeah, it takes a lot of work, so why paint it? A job worth doing is a job worth doing right. I bought two tractors like that, knew it when I bought them, knew all the paint would have to be stripped, which it was. Personally, I would a lot rather have rust, which by the way I got -- under the paint. Beyond my understanding why anyone does a 50-50 paint job. Looks good from 50 feet while driving by at 50 mph. Most tractors at auction are like that. I'm never surprised though, seen too many of them.

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Dixieland

02-24-2005 04:00:27

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to CNKS, 02-23-2005 17:38:20

I know what you mean. I have gotten so leary of auctions I made me a checklist of what to look for. The paint job is usually very poor with minimal if any prep.

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Kelly C

02-24-2005 06:09:29

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Dixieland, 02-24-2005 04:00:27

I am popin in this one more time. I know I am puting my foot in my mouth on this.
Because this paint thing is real subjective. You guys are the ones that like it perfect when you do it. I would also suspect when you sell your tractors you dont take them to an auction. You most likely hold onto them and sell to others like you who would pay a higher price for a well dome paint job. Absolutley nothing wrong with that.

Just to give an example of auction sales I have observed. last spring there were 2 Farmall B's . One you could tell some one took the time to do a real real nice paint job on it and the owner took real good care of it. It went for some thing like $1200. (I should have jumped in on this one.)

The other one was nice looking had new paint but painted with out the same attention to detail the other one was. This one went for about $1100.

Its obvious that the $1200 one was a bargin at that price the other was about where it should be.

The thing is, it all depends on what market your looking at. That nice B should have been sold at a collectors auction. The owner might have been compinsated for all the extra work he put into it.
Because guys like you will pay him for that.

The local spring and fall auctions? No way am I going to strip a tractor, prime, Paint 6 coats and add hardener. For a measly 100 bucks.

Now at the other end of the discusion. For personal use. I am one of those guys that want it to purr like a kittem when I hit the starter. My details are on the inside. 50 feets close enough on the out side.

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CNKS

02-24-2005 13:26:31

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Kelly C, 02-24-2005 06:09:29

I have yet to sell a tractor, because I haven't been doing this very long. Getting the money back is hopeless, the 2 B's that sold are typical. Unless I have a "Super MDV-TA or something, the price I get if and when I sell something will be a fraction of what I put into it -- I knew that before I started. I don't do "PPG or DuPont overhauls". I am currently working on a 460 high utility, the engine is out, reground crank and camshaft, complete overhaul kit sitting on the bench ready to install. There is no grease at all on the tractor, chassis is down to bare metal, it will be painted whenever I get all the small parts cleaned up. Paint will cost $250-$300. I repair stuff, replace seals and gaskets as I go. Because that's the way I like to do it, also why I'm always broke!

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Dixieland

02-23-2005 16:53:15

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 02-23-2005 16:06:03

Sorry Cowman. Did'nt mean to step on anybody's toe! It just amazies me that someone will paint over grease build up. Heck, I know it takes some effort to remove it, but paint it?

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Dave_Id

02-23-2005 15:28:11

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Dixieland, 02-23-2005 15:17:13

I agree, I'd much rather have one less coat of paint to remove. One dealer, in Spokane used to do that, paint right over the grease and grunge. What a mess

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Dixieland

02-23-2005 17:06:57

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Re: Knuckleheads!!! in reply to Dave_Id, 02-23-2005 15:28:11

Yes, I had rather have one unpainted too if it's not done "sorta" right!

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