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Allan in NE you may be right.

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Hugh MacKay

02-27-2005 13:41:24




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Allan: The other day you suggested I never initiate any threads, and I've come to conclusion your critizm may be justified. Did a bit of visiting in the past couple of days. Realized I was quite close to a guy I had helped with plows, cultivator and blade on a Super A. Power train never entered our discussion back then. I looked him up, as I just plain like meeting new people, and of course you like knowing how well the the advice got through.

In our conversation and looking at his tractor, he told me the cup on bottom of breather was full of oil when he got the Super A. He dumped it and kept an eye on it to make sure it didn't happen again. Decided it must be a fluky leak. I did get him straightened out on just how an oil bath breather functions.

Upon leaving I got thinking there probably are a lot of guys born since 1960, don't know what an oil bath breather is. The 140 we have here, when Sandy bought it it had no oil in breather. I just wonder how many old Farmalls are out there with no oil in breather. It could be some of us old farm boys have to anticipate the questions.

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Haas

02-28-2005 06:46:54




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2005 13:41:24  
The first Hebard shop mule that I got had water in the air cleaner cup. Yes water and no oil. Don't know how that got there, but the tractor started and ran fine and I loaded it on trailer and brought it home that way. When I started checking everything, I was really surprised to find the water in the air cleaner cup and even more surprised the tractor did not seem to mind at all. I'd say in freezing weather it would be a bit of a problem though.

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Hugh MacKay

02-28-2005 08:10:52




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Haas, 02-28-2005 06:46:54  
Paul: I remember one morning, freezing temperatures my Farmall 560 diesel wouldn't fire up. We were finishing up a new barn and tractor had sat outside at brisk idle most of afternoon before in the rain. It dawned on me wind had been blowig rain along the roof and right unto tractor.

I took the oil cup off breather and low a layer of slush. It had sealed air flow off completely. I cleaned it and filled with new oil, tractor fired right up. I expect the excessive amount of water coming down at tractor allowed the diesel to suck it right in.

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Jimmy King

02-27-2005 21:02:42




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2005 13:41:24  
Hugh, my late Step Dad and my Dad were 1st cousins. Gene started with a F12, then a B , then a Super C with fast hitch. I think it was on the C he told a boy working for him to CK the oil, and if it needed some put it in. Later the boy came back and said Gene I had put 4 qts. in it and it is still low. Gene went out to find he was pouring it in the air cleaner.



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Hugh MacKay

02-28-2005 02:02:28




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Jimmy King, 02-27-2005 21:02:42  
Jim: I had a similar problem with a neighbor older than I. He called one evening, to see if he could use my Super A. I was not going to be home and advised best check the oil, I told him where the oil was. When I got home next day Marg. advised me he had to add 3 qts oil in tractor. I said that's impossible, it may have been down a quart. Went out to shed and drained almost 3 quarts off from the high level tap. I had told him if he got oil from the bottom tap not to worry with all he was going to do with tractor.

He saw me out there and came over. He said those taps were a poor way to check oil. His family had tractors when he was a kid, in fact he owned a tractor that wouldn't go. He said they all had dip sticks. I let him ridicule my Farmall for awhile. When I considered I'd had enough, I suggested his family and he probably had dip sticks on the seat as well as in the block. His only problem with my tractor, he only opened tap about 1/2 turn. He never did get oil to come out, he just add the 3 quarts as he figured that is all it would hold.

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FmrBoy

02-27-2005 20:13:13




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2005 13:41:24  
Hi Guys, I just wanted to say again Thank you for coming here each day and answering questions for all of us. I rember when I first came to this site a year and half ago to ask what the value of a tractor was! lol And now I see how many times you get even questions like that, and there is no real answer to it. But to someone it is important, I will be 27 this year and will keep reading here every day to learn something new about one of my farmall"s or to learn about one I don"t have. I like all colors of tractors and equipment but down deep I am nothing but red. My grandfather explained the oil bath thing to me back when I was 15, but it was on a "58 Ih pickup I had at the time. Before then I had no idea that old cars and tractors used those. My pickup is gone now but I check my tractors tomake sure the oil is there. Thanks again to young and old for keeping this going. Can"t wait for my seven month old daughter to drive her great grandpa"s H some day. :)

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Nebraska Cowman

02-27-2005 16:36:47




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2005 13:41:24  
excuse me for horning in Hugh but you do offer a lot of good advice. many times you can see by a post that a man may be missing something that would be taken for granted by the old-timers. As long as we remain paitent and unasuming we can be helpfull.



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Migraine

02-27-2005 16:18:59




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2005 13:41:24  
I am living proof that what you guys offer here for help and support is the reason that the old iron lives on. My first actual restoration both mechanical and cosmetically was started on New Years Day of 2000. Even though I farmed with and have been around Farmalls all my life, there is so much to learn about the "rest of the story". Please know that your insight and knowledge is greatly needed and appreciated. And yes, you can't take it with you so may as well spill it here. I don't feel that I give much back yet but watching and studying will help me someday pass info and help to the next group coming behind us. Think I'll go outside and work on one for awhile. Migraine

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Shepherd_Bill

02-27-2005 14:39:58




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2005 13:41:24  
Thanks, Hugh. I'll bet I learn how to post on this thing someday.



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Allan in NE

02-27-2005 14:04:36




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2005 13:41:24  
Ever notice how time has a funny way of going faster and faster and faster?

To me, paper element filters are more or less of a recent thing. Since you mention it and in thinking about it, my word! They've been around for 45 years now!

None the less, I think I'm gonna always be old fashioned, 'cause I just like old stuff. :>(

Yes, those old oil baths worked just fine.

Allan



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Ron in Nebr

02-27-2005 17:09:28




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Allan in NE, 02-27-2005 14:04:36  
Allan, Speaking of both time and paper....I recently read someplace(forgive me if it was on here), that time and a person's life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer you get to the end, the faster it goes!

Wouldn't have believed it 20 years ago...but now, sheesh....seems to become more true every day! Just hope by the time I'm twice my current age that I have time to finish the breakfast dishes before it's time to make supper!

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Hugh MacKay

02-27-2005 15:25:27




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Allan in NE, 02-27-2005 14:04:36  
Allan: I agree that 45 years seems like yesterday, but it also suggests how long we've been around.

One of the most satisfing things about these forums for me has been to help some guy with his tractor back 5 years ago, and to see him giving that same advice to someone else today. Lots of those guys were just novice back then. Some of these guys really want to learn. I find this is particularly true with letter series tractors. They are probably one of the last real collector tractors. Once you get into factory power steering, factory 3 point, factory IPTO, those tractors will be commercial work tractors for years to come yet.

Take me for example, I've been away for couple of days. I see some questions on here today I would normally get involved in. I am not going to as they have been well answered for the most part. I predict letter series Farmalls will be around long after you and I are gone. Some of these young guys are only in their 20's. Heck their grand children could mow our graves with a letter series Farmall with Woods mower 100 years from now. We may as well dish it out as our knowledge will do little good at the root end of the grass. Our carcass maybe.

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Norm in Alabama

02-27-2005 15:09:44




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Allan in NE, 02-27-2005 14:04:36  
Allen. I sure know what you are a talkin about. Growin up in SE Kansas we had Farmalls and AC's and we had to change oil in the air cleaner cups every weekend as the air was so dusty and full of dirt in the dry season they would get at least 1/2in of dirt in them every week. This was back in the early 50's and I still keep mine clean on my Farmall and my AC. Just my 3 cents. Really enjoy your comments.

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RustyFarmall

02-27-2005 14:00:50




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-27-2005 13:41:24  
Hugh, I bought an H several years ago from a hobby farmer. This guy had grown up on a farm, and then ran a very succesful hardware store in town until he retired. I was wrong in assuming that just maybe he did know something about the maintenance required on a farm tractor. There were many things on that tractor that were just plain cobbled, even a hardware store owner should have known better than to do some of these things. The worst thing was that the air cleaner cup was totally dry, had even been wiped clean, nothing in there but a mudball.

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Shepher_Bill

02-27-2005 14:38:03




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 Re: Allan in NE you may be right. in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-27-2005 14:00:50  
Way back when, my Dad rented some ranchland on shares from an old cowboy. This fellow had an F-12. We did some maintenace on it so we could use it. The old cowboy was over while we were working on the F-12. He pointed to the oil filter and ask what it was. Said he had taken the cap off once & it was all oily & gooy so he squirted some oil on it and put the cap back on. His stories about his F-12 were quite funny to those of us with those modern tractor like an H.

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