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Brian in Ohio

02-28-2005 17:49:31




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This is a beginner IHC History Question...

At what point did they drop the "Deering", and why?

I know that the F-Series Famrlls all were labelled "McCormick - Deering", and a lot of the early A, B, etc. But later they just said "McCormick". Was there a particular reason for the change, did it just happen out of the blue?




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Guy Fay

03-01-2005 05:20:13




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to Brian in Ohio, 02-28-2005 17:49:31  
Here we go- Hugh's got most of it, I'll just complete some more.

IH did some name surveys right around the end of the war to see what names people actually identified the tractors with. Of course, International and Farmall were the big winners. McCOrmick and Deering were low on the list. What happens next is a bit of a mystery. Probably becuase of the anti-trust suit and the need to differentiate the industrial and ag lines, IH decided to eliminate the Deering to simplify the names. The reason why McCormick was kept was probably simple- Fowler McCormick was running the company. The priginal decision was made in 46 or so, the tractor decal decision in 49. Obviously, existing stocks of decals were used up first, so the actual dates were going to be variable-slow moving lines could take awhile. The McCormick lasted pretty much up to 1967 from what I understand.

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Opa A

03-01-2005 09:05:09




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 Wrong decals? in reply to Guy Fay, 03-01-2005 05:20:13  
I went by the listings on this site when I ordered decals for my 45 A. They list the decals with McCormick-Deering and no IH logo as being for tractors 1939-1944. They list decals with Deering removed and IH logo added for tractors 1945-1952 so thats what I ordered. I could barely see where the origional Culti-vision decals had been on the hood before I blasted it, but could not see any trace of the side decals. Do I have the right decals before I put them on?

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CNKS

03-01-2005 17:42:35




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 Re: Wrong decals? in reply to Opa A, 03-01-2005 09:05:09  
45-49 should say IH McCormick Deering Farmall.



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Opa A

03-02-2005 09:05:15




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 Re: Wrong decals? in reply to CNKS, 03-01-2005 17:42:35  
Thanks.



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Farmer Bob

02-28-2005 19:46:11




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to Brian in Ohio, 02-28-2005 17:49:31  
According to several different authors, the Deering name was eliminated on the side trademark decals in July 1949. IH also revised the service packages for "Out of Production" tractors like the Farmall A's and B's which had been out of production for at least a year by that date. Thanks goes to Guy Fay and Andy Kraushaar for the above information from their book, "Originality Guide Farmall Letter Series Tractors".

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farmerjohn

02-28-2005 18:32:16




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to Brian in Ohio, 02-28-2005 17:49:31  
I have been told that when the IHC company was formed in 1902 by five other companies merging, there was an agreement that since the McCormick and Deering families had the majority of the assets in the merge, these names would be used until the last family member died, Mrs. Deering in 1937 and Mrs. McCormick in 1956. I have also been told that this story is a myth. I would also like to know the real reason.

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CNKS

02-28-2005 18:57:24




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to farmerjohn, 02-28-2005 18:32:16  
Don't think thats all a myth, at least as far as Deering goes. As far as the McCormicks, Brooks McCormick (either the grandson, great grandson, or a fairly close descendant of Cyrus) was still on the board of directors when Tenneco bought IH. Deering was dropped at "about" 1949, someone else will have to speak for McCormick.



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Hugh MacKay

03-01-2005 03:19:06




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to CNKS, 02-28-2005 18:57:24  
CNKS: I've always considered the changing of those side decals was much like an old farmer cleaning up his barnyard,"Something had to go"

As far as the McCormicks and the Deerings go, Brooks is a progeny of both. Money is what counted with these birds. Clearly by the early 1950s IH, Farmall and International were the recognized trademarks, so why call it anything else. By the way Deering is still on my 53 Super A and McCormick only on my 58 - 130. I know McCormick was on my 67 - 656.

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CNKS

03-01-2005 06:38:21




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-01-2005 03:19:06  
All I'm doing is probably contributing to rumors, but I did read somewhere that Deering was dropped because of the "last family member thing". I doubt if I could find that statement now if I looked, or whether it is reliable info. Cyrus McCormick and (forgot his 1st name) Deering got along, but perhaps the families were not the best of friends -- I would like to know when the last direct Deering descendant, what ever that means, either died or left the company. Also had forgotten that Brooks was related by marriage to the Deerings. Anyway the Deering name was easier to get rid of than McCormick. I would also like to know if your 53 has the original decals.

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Hugh MacKay

03-01-2005 06:47:33




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to CNKS, 03-01-2005 06:38:21  
CNKS: Paul raised a few questions, caused me to go to shop, and I was wrong. Read what I said to Paul. I am certain the decals on tractor are same as original.



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Paul in Mich

03-01-2005 04:55:30




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-01-2005 03:19:06  
As far as my memory serves me, Deering ws removed in 1946, and the IH logo added. Then again, I could be wrong as I"m depending on a good but short memory. Hugh, does your 53 Super A have the IH logo on the side decal? You really got me wondering if you might have the earlier decal if it isnt the original decal. I know IH was famous for adding, then deleting, then adding then deleting names. Think back to how many times we get into the Culti-vision discussion. I thought I had that one all sorted out until Guy Fay muddied my mental waters again. I thought both 39 and 40 models A&B were sans Culti-vision, only to learn that the 40 had Culti-vision. Then I was given reason to think that in 40 there were some of both. I also learned, or was led to believe that tractors that were exported from the U.S. had different or added decals. Did this apply to tractors going into Canada, or just overseas?

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CNKS

03-01-2005 17:48:12




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to Paul in Mich, 03-01-2005 04:55:30  
IH was added, but the Deering was there until 1949.



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Hugh MacKay

03-01-2005 06:40:46




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to Paul in Mich, 03-01-2005 04:55:30  
Paul: I stand corrected, just waded through this new snow we got overnight and out to my shop. Marg. asked if I was going out to plow that damn snow, I replied, " Not if the Buick will go up and down the drivway without." Now this is not Saginaw snow, drifts are the other way, so it looks like snow right off the Labrador coast, and you know who is responcible for that.

Now about the tractor, I was wrong. Decals say McCormick only in inch high letters just above the word Farmall. Just before these words both sides it has the IH logo and in small print on bottom International Harvester. Under the word Farmall in letters about 1/2" high it reads, " Made in the United States of America * International Harvester Company, Chicago, Illinois. Of course the SA round decal reads A with the word super in smaller print.

Now this tractor was painted about 20 years ago, at that time the new decals came from Allen Haugh, in Brucefield, ON. and were exactly same as originals. I was a bit more of a purest back then. What is even more annoying, I remember events from back then better than current events. Now I'm just trying to remember who's tractor I saw McCormick Deering on in the past 6 months. Probably that 42 W4 or 46 H my neighbor is resurecting.

Now back to this blommin snow, I don't think Marg. is going to fall for, "Buick going up and down driveway as good enough." Just going by the background commentary.

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PAULIH300

02-28-2005 19:10:59




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 Re: This is a beginner IHC History Question... in reply to CNKS, 02-28-2005 18:57:24  
McCormick was considered IH's implement line at least thru the 50s.(Ex:The McCormick U34 Power Loader of 1955-1958).
When that application of the name ended is only a guess....



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