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Antique vs modern?

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deweed(TX)

03-01-2005 10:14:37




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I have an old "H" and a 2N that I use to do chores around my place. So far I have been able to do anything that I need with one or the other. But whenever one of them needs fixin I get that urge for a modern diesel compact tractor. The question is, is it better to sink money into one of these antiques with all their character and stamina, Or buy a modern tractor with all the lovely technical do-dads and keep the antiques for the pleasure? What's ya'alls thoughts on that?

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wilko

03-01-2005 20:52:01




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
As far as I'm concerned, anything made starting in the 70's is pretty much modern. Think about it. You get power steering, powershift transmission, air conditioning and heat (if w/ cab). The styling on this era of machine was way better than a piece-o-crap kubota, and hey, bonus, it was made in the USA! Look around for a tight, well-maintained machine and you can have the best of both worlds on a budget.

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PAULIH300

03-01-2005 17:37:03




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
If something can last 50 years or more,it has to be good.No way todays stuff will last that long.2055? I dont think so!
If you are rich,buy new.If it breaks and you cant get parts for it (seems thats what happens with new stuff),sell it off and buy another one.Do that everytime its down and cant be fixed immediately.
Otherwise,buy an oldie carefully,spend a few extra bucks.Replace whatever it needs,and run it and care for it like it was super fragile (not saying they are of course),and it will outlive you.Possibly buy a 2nd tractor for spare parts or a spare running tractor in case the first one is down for a while.When you want to sell them off one day,they will sell....people will want to buy them.Not so with todays cookie cutter stuff.

I personally would like all new stuff(all the bells and whistles),not 1955 IH 300Us,1960s/1970s trucks..etc,but the minute they break and cause me trouble I would miss the old stuff thats served well for so long.Not all of us can be wealthy,nor do we aim to be,but knowing we have "vintage friends" that give us their all and ask for so little in return gives us a confident feeling that no rich kid with his '05 stuff could ever experience.

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Aberdale Farm

03-01-2005 16:15:39




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
Let me start off by saying I'm as cheap as anyone on this site. And I just can't stand the thought of making payments. My newest tractor is a 1971 3020. I believe the key to all of the jobs on my farm is to use equipment that can do the job safely and comfortably. I use an M and a Farmall 450 diesel as much as I use the 3020. And I guess you could say I have a few "backups" in case one of them breaks down. Although I rarely have a breakdown.

A BTO down the road just sold out. He always ran new equipment. Rumor has it he was over $2 million in debt when he sold out. I hate to see anyone sell out, but I wonder if he could have made it with equipment that was a few years older . . .

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Andy Martin

03-01-2005 12:47:18




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
Fix the antiques right, spend a little extra money.

Pay attention to what your problems have been.

Price the new tractor you want and see what the payments will be.

All new wiring, new battery cables, a new radiator (if required), new hoses, weld up the rims and put on new tires and tubes and even with paint you'll be short of one year's payments on the new one, maybe short of six months' payments.

You might save enough to buy an M in good shape.

I originally told my wife I needed some spare Farmalls so I could keep harvesting when one broke down. I found out that if you use them (it keeps the rust out of the gas tank), keep oil in them, and don't overload them, they just don't break down.

I don't know about the Ford, but the old H will still be going strong when the new tractor is sitting on a dealer's lot with a flat on the rear and electrical problems.

I loaned an M to my hay hand one fall. He had seen the light and was going to help his family bale in the fall. He called laughing a few weeks later. Their 4020 had a bad hydraulic pump, their little Ford had a radiator blow, and the big New Holland was back at the dealers' for a elusive electrical problem in the cab to chassis conneciton. He was mowing, raking, and baling square bales with the M while his folks were waiting for parts and service.

Like NC said, how will you feel when the new one is broke down. And all those fancy gadgets are what break. And what a deal when it is broken down or winter and you still get to make payments.

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Allan in NE

03-01-2005 14:23:15




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to Andy Martin, 03-01-2005 12:47:18  
Hi Andy,

Boy, that's the truth!

I can't ever remember a tractor breakin' down. Lots and lots of preventative repairs and lots & lots of service, but never, ever a breakdown.

These old buggers are just plain tough and if a feller takes care of them, they'll take care of you.

Allan



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Andy Martin

03-01-2005 15:41:29




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to Allan in NE, 03-01-2005 14:23:15  
Yeah, I think it is sad.

One of the problems with the new ones is that they have used modern materials to get the weight down. They are making so many that the extra engineering effort saves them big bucks in trimming every excess pound possible to cut costs.

So you have small high strength shafts which fatigue and snap if they are barely mis-manufactured, and bearings JUST big enough to make it through warranty.

I stand at the dealer getting implement wear parts and see guys buying parts for new equipment that I have never had to buy on an M. Since I work my M's hard I just re-ring an old piston slapper and it is amazing how long it will run and put out good power while using just enough oil to keep the mosquitoes down. My theory is if the piston scruffs the sleeve, so what, then I know it is time for a new sleeve set. But I've yet to put a sleeve set in a Farmall. Now you know why I like the 20w50 motor oil.

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Gordo

03-01-2005 12:10:52




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
Go test drive a new Kubota, Grand L series. They are by far the most dependable straightforward tractor built today. And maybe ever.As soon as I sell the 3010 this spring there will be one in the shop here. No worse tractor than one that won't run. The resale on them is tremendous. Watch them go on ebay before you buy. But of course the "H" will always be here because half the fun of having a tractor is working on them, and swapping stories about them. No "fun" in a Kubota, it's always ready, and when is the last time someone said, "My grandfather bought this Kubota new in....." Gordo

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Dave from Texas

03-01-2005 11:24:56




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
I have 7 tractors. 5 are old and two compact Japan diesels. I love to play on the old ones and I dream up stuff to use them for but I find that half of the time I am on the compacts.



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Dave_Id

03-01-2005 11:14:11




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
I wouldn't buy one of those little toy diesels, but I would buy something like a MF 165. Not too old, not too new. I bought in 96 a new MF253 with 4wheel drive. NOw that will do all your work. I sold it now with the farm. That sure is a nice machine. It was border line in pto horsepower (47) to handle a JD 4x4 round baler in the twine wrapping operation, but it did handle it.



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Ron in Nebr

03-01-2005 11:08:33




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
Sink the money you would have spent on the modern tractor into four or five more H's(or similar). Then, with a fleet like that, there'll most likely always be one running that you can get the work done with, and you can fix the broken ones in your "spare time".



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Nebraska Cowman

03-01-2005 10:28:50




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 10:14:37  
I think that when your modern diesel needs fixin you will wish for the old ones back.



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Dave H (MI)

03-01-2005 11:48:03




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-01-2005 10:28:50  
Of all the responses to this post, the one from NC above is the sagest. I have an MTA and a Ford 1520 (small compact diesel). Love them both, use them both a lot, can't fix the 1520 if my life depended on it. When it breaks I have to drag it home with the Farmall and have the dealer come and get it. A few stats.....The Ford has broken down once in 15 years. The Farmall has never failed to start and go.

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deweed(TX)

03-01-2005 16:15:52




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to Dave H (MI), 03-01-2005 11:48:03  
Hey, you guys are great!! That's a lot I hadn't considered. One thing I have to admit, a new tractor today won't run or work as good 60 years from now as these ol' girls do today. And they are pretty dang simple to keep going! Thanks



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Ina Davies

03-01-2005 23:23:49




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 Re: Antique vs modern? in reply to deweed(TX), 03-01-2005 16:15:52  
I have a 674 mid 70s international but I agree with other posters here its hard to beat the Fergie 165 8 speed they are bullet proof and with an auxillary hydraulic pump are as good as any modern tractor
A tractor from the 70s wil have all the latest tractors have in utility without the price and if you need a part you can get it from a wrecker right away unlike a new tractor. Spend the extra money on lowering the mortgage

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