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Allan in NE

03-07-2005 17:11:59




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Hi Guys,

The wife and I are looking at a piece of ground to buy.

We can't get away to go look at the property for a few days, but it appears from the pictures that the owner sent us, that it is totally over-run with prairie dogs.

I've never had to deal with these critters. Is there a way to control 'em? Isn’t there some kind of a poison that can be laid in subsoil?

Thanks,

Allan




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Farmallkid From Ont,

03-08-2005 10:14:31




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Get some gas, mix it with water, the water makes it run along the ground. Pour it down the holes, plug all the holes with something, exept one, light er up and they should come running out the unpluged hole, knok em off as they come out the hole. Cowman showed me a pick of a gopher getter, it would put poisonous seeds in the ground and they would eat them and die. Or flood them out. Or get the guy from CADDY SHACK, to bomb them out, But then you might not have any land left!

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EricB

03-09-2005 05:02:13




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Farmallkid From Ont,, 03-08-2005 10:14:31  
I think Bill Murray had it right in Caddy Shack... Saves on plowing, just disk and plant.



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MagMan

03-08-2005 05:11:53




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Hey Allen, I thought you had a place all pretty much bought or thats what you said a while back. Is this just more land or did the other place fall through? I would buy yourself a 22 Rifle and have some fun or a 22 mag would be better. Sit out there a pluck away. Or go and get your self a few dozen 110 , or 220 conibear traps and put them in front of the holes.



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John A.

03-07-2005 20:49:04




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Allan, The two best ways t p get rid of the are....
1st collect "Drip Gas" from the natural gas line that criss-cross most of the land in the high plains. Blow pots are usually in low areas go there to collect this stuff, PS Do not get caught! Collect the drip in a large tank. All this stuff is, is condensate that collects in the low areas. This stuff will burn just like gasoline. Then pour about a 1/2 gal down each hole take a hoe handle and shove a piece of news paper down the hole then cover with soil. retreat the dig outs in one week.
#2...Aflotoxin, Grain fumeuanet. Use a 6ft piece of black plastic pipe and shove it down the hole. Use rubber gloves and roll down the pipe about 8 pills.
Pull out the pipe , then shove some newspaper down the hole, cover up the hole with soil retreat dig outs in a 5 days.
Best to do this aftera rainy time for damp siol sets of the fumegant better than drier soil.
Hope this helps.
The only other thing that works is a natural plague that will wipe out large populations from time to time.
Later,
John A.

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Shepherd_Bill

03-07-2005 20:05:00




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
You might catch a few and send them to Boulder, CO. The people around there seem to like the little buggers.

Seriously, if you talk with some of the folks north of you in South Dakota, they can give you some good advice. Talk with the ranchers around Interior & Scenic, SD (south of Wall & east of Rapid City). The Extension people of Pennington County, S.D. (Rapid City) could probably help.

Personally I believe that poison oats are the control agent of choice. You normally need to bait them before you give them the treated oats.

If the neighboring farms/ranches have prairie dogs, it will have to be a cooperative venture if you ever hope to get ahead of the dogs.

Good luck.

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Ernie Bob

03-07-2005 22:23:15




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Shepherd_Bill, 03-07-2005 20:05:00  
Shepherd Bill'

Don't you dare advertise sending them to Boulder, CO. I work for the City of Boulder and I'm so sick of the Prarie Dog situation here. We have a policy that if caught chasing, harrassing or harming you face disciplinary action which could result in firing.

I used to put up hay on 20 acres of decent grass hay, at our facility, until a couple of the little vernits showed up and I was told that I could not touch the hay as long as they were there. Then to make matters worse one of the tree huggers happened to come by the facility for a meeting and saw the vermits and passed this on to the Open Space Dept. The next thing we know we have 100 dogs relocated from a site that was expanding so this nice hayfield has turned into a PD town! The relocation was sickening, they would trap them, give them a physical, bathe them, Flea powder and then give them a big hug before placing them in their pre-dug home.

The City has run out of places to relocate so they have passed an ordinance that if you've exhausted all avenues of relocation, then you may be allowed to poison them. For a native of the area it really yanks my chain the way the re-locaters have gotten into positions to tell all the locals what's best for them and how they are to do things.

I vented, I don't know if I feel better but I vented.

Have a Gooder
Ernie Bob

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Don L C

03-07-2005 20:04:41




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
YA know you could start a hunting lodge....the fellows from the city pay good money to hunt them.....



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Hound

03-07-2005 19:44:24




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
...maybe try the farmshow mag. I seem to remember a guy made a high powered vaccum and sucked them out of their little homes... as I remember it was the size of an old treshing machine....huge for a shop-vac. Hound



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scott#2

03-07-2005 19:19:17




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Ck out www.dogbegone.com, quite graphie though, be carefull. Otherwise, get yourself some female jack russells and have some fun.

scott#2



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MN Scott

03-07-2005 18:48:31




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Allan, Here's an interesting way to take care of the furry pests, blow them up.



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Allan in NE

03-07-2005 18:54:39




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to MN Scott, 03-07-2005 18:48:31  
Gee Scott,

I just wanna kill 'em, not hurt 'em. :>)

Allan



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WyoDave

03-07-2005 18:17:53




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Allan. I'm pretty new to this site and mostly do some lurking, but I have had some experience with prairie dogs. I farm/ranch in the Torrington Wy, region, and my sister actually goes to school up by you at Chadron State College. Anyways, the last few years have increased prairie dogs due to the drought. Shooting them is pretty ineffective, but can be a good relief for stress. We've found that the best bet is aluminum phosphite?. You'll have to have at least a private applicators licence to get the pills. They're the same thing used to control insects in grain. You place them in the hole, than cover up the hole. The moisture in the ground will release a noxious gas the kills the prairie dogs. They are a little hazardous and should be used with care. We've also used the oat bait type, but decided against it lately as you can't pasture with that out. They can be controlled but its a multi year process. Another effective technique is to let the grass grow. If the prarie dog can't see the surrounding area because of tall grass they will move out. We work on prarie dog control for several days every spring. David

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Allan in NE

03-07-2005 18:29:26




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to WyoDave, 03-07-2005 18:17:53  
Hi Dave,

Thanks for the info.

I'm from that area too. The old original home place was out east of that old Silver Tip south of town on the way to Hawk Springs.

You probably know my cousin Dewey as a teacher there in Torrington (Don't wanna throw the name around on the Internet).

Allan



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WyoDave

03-07-2005 18:37:17




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 18:29:26  
Allan, Of course I know Silver Tip, Hawksprings, Veteran, and Huntley. I"m actually closer to Yoder, went to school there. If its the Dewey teacher I"m thinking its probably my highschool science teacher. I"m only 22, and in my last semester of college. Left my e-mail open if you have any other thing else to talk about.
David



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Dixieland

03-07-2005 18:17:22




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Down here we call um cayotes.(scuse my spellin) A few goats is all you need. They ain't room for both but the goats will prevail!



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captaink

03-07-2005 17:55:03




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Allen,

Not sure about where the land you are looking at is located, but I have heard some scuttlebutt through the grape vine that the whacko animal rights activists have gotten this critter on some endangered species list some where. You might want to make sure that if you declare war on the varmints that you will not have another war to fight with some environmental whacko that thinks they are cute.

Personally, my thoughts are if someone wants to save them, they should come out, trap them, and take them back home to keep in their garage. :>)

Good luck!

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Allan in NE

03-07-2005 18:12:11




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to captaink, 03-07-2005 17:55:03  
Hi Guy,

Yes, I"ve read that. Cannot understand how they can be on an endangered species list; they are spreading like wildfire here.

Talk in town this week end had it that the county is doing a labor, equipment, and materials kill at no charge to the farmer.

Dunno, haven"t actually seen the place yet and might be all worried over nothing; it is hard to really tell from pictures.

I always thought a good rotation would keep "em out, dunno tho.

Thanks,

Allan

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Jeff In Ontario

03-07-2005 17:34:11




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
Allan:
I know nothing about it really, but you might be interested in this link-- something about oats with zinc.
Hope it helps
Jeff



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Jay (ND)

03-07-2005 17:18:33




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:11:59  
If'n it were me, I would bribe some dumb ole rednecks from North Dakota with beer. They seem to like to feed 'em lead.



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John M

03-07-2005 18:16:31




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Jay (ND), 03-07-2005 17:18:33  
Yu means dey gots rednecks up norf too?



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Allan in NE

03-07-2005 17:35:58




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Jay (ND), 03-07-2005 17:18:33  
Thanks Jay,

But that doesn't work. For every one you see, 10 of his second cousins, fourteen times removed, are too bashful to show their darlin' little faces. :>(

Allan



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P Backus

03-07-2005 20:50:46




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:35:58  
Hey, Allen, Why don't you move up here to WI. I haven't seen a prairie dog my entire life here.( maybe a zoo) Then you could be Allen in WI !
Paul



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Allan in NE

03-08-2005 04:24:04




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to P Backus, 03-07-2005 20:50:46  
Aw heck,

I think land prices are way too high here and we're talkin' desert.

I don't know, the more I look at these pictures, the more I think I'm looking at a crop of late weeds. The pictures were taken after the crop was taken off.

Dunno, going to look at the place this weekend.

Allan



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Jay (ND)

03-07-2005 17:49:12




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Allan in NE, 03-07-2005 17:35:58  
There is new science about this. Read this.

Jay *who always picks up his brass*



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janicholson

03-08-2005 08:07:33




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 Re: Here's one for you in reply to Jay (ND), 03-07-2005 17:49:12  
My technique hits 3hree hotspots in the same event. I take the most smokie engine I know of (a pedal start Maytag hit or miss 2 stroke) run a flex hose down the P-dog hole an fire it up then I sit on the back of a flat bed truck with 3-4 boxes of #6 steel shot 3" .410 shells and pick off the escapees. 1)Old engines working for a living. 2) fair game for practice. 3)and no more colony of pests. Poisoned animals end up poisioning others in the food chain. this process leaves them dead but edible.

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