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Question about new Super M

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Matt - Utah

03-08-2005 09:43:48




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Question for everyone from a newbie:

My parents have recently purchased a '52 Super M for our cabin. It will be used primarily to launch boats on the beach (the lake level has dropped so low, most of the boat ramps are useless right now). I am sure it can handle this type of duty. My question is about towing the boat up and down the hill between our cabin and the beach. It's a pretty steep incline. Should I be worried about the tractor flipping over backwards while towing 3500# up a steep grade? What can be done to prevent this?

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RustyFarmall

03-08-2005 11:35:49




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 Re: Question about new Super M in reply to Matt - Utah, 03-08-2005 09:43:48  
I agree with the others, The super M should pull your boat up the hill with no problem, but, like has already been mentioned, I would be more concerned about going down the hill. If the M has been converted to a 12 volt starting and charging system, It would be very easy to add a trailer brake control to the tractor, that way you could apply the trailer brakes if things started getting a bit hairy.

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Bob M

03-08-2005 11:23:52




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 Re: Question about new Super M in reply to Matt - Utah, 03-08-2005 09:43:48  
Matt - Assuming decent roadway surface - i.e no potholes, loose rock, etc - a Super M will pull a 3,500 trailer up a reasonable incline with no problem. By “reasonable” I mean 15% - 20% maximum. (Drawbar pull at 20% would be around 700 lb – within the capability of a Super M without lifting the front end.) But a couple hundred lb of aux weight fastened to the front end would insure the front end stays down and aid steering.

Another alternative would be to fabricate a hitch for the front end, then BACK the tractor up the incline with the boat hitched to the front end.

However not only must you be able to climb the hill, you must be able descend it under control! The Super M’s disk brakes can be very effective, IF they are in good shape and IF they are properly adjusted. But if SM brakes have any problems they may not work at all. Also if only one side is working, stomping on the good brake can cause the front of the tractor to slew violently to the side and possibly roll - especially if you’ve got a load pushing from behind.

Also....the brakes must be able to hold the tractor securely should you ever have to stop on the incline. (Think of the consequences were you unable to hold it from rolling backward with a boat attached.)

Bottom line is a Super M should do the job. But you must keep the brakes in top condition. Always go slow and exercise caution. Finally keep in mind anytime you operate a tractor on an incline it's a dangerous activity. Don't become a statistic!!

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captaink

03-08-2005 10:53:37




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 Re: Question about new Super M in reply to Matt - Utah, 03-08-2005 09:43:48  
Anytime a tractor (or anything that moves) is not operated on a level surface, concern about tipping over is justified because the steeper the slope the easier it is to tip something over. Operational techniques that will help prevent disaster must be implemented, but will not guarantee an upset will not happen. I can not stress enough that operating tractors on slopes is dangerous and the operator must be knowledgeable about the laws of physics and extremely careful. Even then accidents happen, please don’t be in one of them.

Now, to answer your question, compared to driving forward up a slope, backing up a slope will help prevent end over end tipping for two reasons. First the power wheels will be higher up the slope, pulling you up the hill rather than pushing. The rotational "equal but opposite" force will be adding weight to the front end (lower than the rear end) of the tractor rather than trying to lift it up. When backing you will loose traction on the driving (pulling) wheels before there will be enough gravitational force to raise the rear end off the ground. A front pull plate can be attached to the front of a tractor with a narrow front, or you can fabricate one that will bolt on the frame. Either of these will be a hitch point to pull from.

Backing so that you are going straight up the incline will help prevent tipping sideways. Lowering the pulling point on the tractor will also lower the “center of gravity” allowing the tractor to be more stable. Widening the rear wheels to the ends of the axles and adding weights will also add to the tractors stability against tipping over sideways.

BE CAREFUL! Think about how gravity will be working on the tractor on that slope by walking on it and carrying a 10 lb bag of sugar on your back. Walk up the hill forwards (you will need to lean ahead) and then back up the hill to get a better understanding of the forces on the tractor.

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Aces

03-08-2005 10:32:42




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 Re: Question about new Super M in reply to Matt - Utah, 03-08-2005 09:43:48  
Matt you could put some weight on the front but I would 3500 Lbs would be no problem.



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Matt - Utah

03-10-2005 19:51:18




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 Re: Question about new Super M in reply to Aces, 03-08-2005 10:32:42  
Thanks for all the advice!! I'm definitely going to be extremely careful, and think everything through before we do it.

I'm sure I'll be back with lots of questions



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