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H, Engine RPM under load low

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230,H,M

03-19-2005 05:01:34




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When hooked up to a DYNO and a load is placed on the engine the engine does not die. However, after reaching about 1350 RPM the engine does not accelerate to 1650 load RPM. The engine can be loaded to the point that it will stall. Acceleration from idle to full throttle with no load is very good.
Here is what has been done so far. Complete new ignition system. Wires (copper), plugs 3116's, Coil no external resistor required type, IH points condenser and rotor and cap. Carburetor clean as a whistle. All orifices open. Adjusted according to IH specs. Governor has new spring and is adjusted according to IH instructions. I do note that the fly weight pivot holes are worn some though. Compression is 105 to 110 all cylinders with engine at operating temp. New fuel line, and tank is clean. Sediment bowl and screen is clean.
Have any of you experienced this problem? What did you do to fix it?

Thank you

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ChadS

03-19-2005 09:04:12




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to 230,H,M, 03-19-2005 05:01:34  
Your governor high load rpm is not adjusted correctly. it is still too slow. Take off the governor plate, and back out the bottom bolt about 3 full turns, then tighten the jam nut. also, check you throttle linkage to where it bolts to the head, the rod, may be hitting the manifold. To really get the most out of it on the dyno, and really help the engines running charateristics is to properly set you carb, timing, and governor to what this engine requires to run best. Each engine, is its own, Not all engines run exactly the same, one size, dont fit all in this case. Different adjustments do different things to help increase performance. Ive dyno tuned alot of C's H's, M's, Supers, stock, to modified. What I have found, is that the carbs are not jetted right to properly run an engine at full load, they are always lean, not enough fuel. The Stock governor springs you get from IH are just as bad as an old worn out one. To properly dyno the engine, the rpms, should go just a bit over what rated rpm is, in this case, the H is 1815 at 540. Most H's wont ever get that high in the first place, mite see what you described, low rpms where they should be higher. With no load, the pto rpms speed should go up to about 595-615 rpm, then pull it down to 540 rpm. I bet your carb will be very lean at this point, because the governor will now do its job and hold the carb open more, it takes more fuel, to run a higher rpm under a load, the stock jets in the carb, they will work for under 1500 rpms, you can se the rpm back down when your finished if you dont like it to run that fast, it would be under 2000 if left at that speed, you could set the dyno, (no load) and then set your hand throttle to where 540 is on the hand lever. Mark the notch, or if you have an M&W style throttle, remember the number it was set to. I think you will have to rejet the carb, double check your valve lash, If it a 152, 32-35 hp, if you leave it like it is, 35-39 if you step up the governor. and tune the carb to that faster rpm. What happens is, the carb is open more under a load because the governor is now being pulled down to rated rpm speed, and responds more to a rpm drop. Hope this helps, CHadS

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230,H,M

03-20-2005 13:28:47




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to ChadS, 03-19-2005 09:04:12  
Thank you for the education. I will try your suggestions. I have never had any experience with a Dyno before. Now I have a better understanding of it. When I take the tractor back for another test I will know more about what questions to ask.

Do I have to worry about overspeeding the engine when I increase the top no load speed?



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ChadS

03-21-2005 06:07:37




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to 230,H,M, 03-20-2005 13:28:47  
If the flywheel assembly has recently been apart, and has been properly retourqed back up to snuff, not an old workhorse, that has not been apart since 1970, the higher rpm should not be a problem. Like I said, when you reset the high load rpm adjustment, try it a turn at a time, till a noticable increase in engine rpm occurs. if you can find a pto tach somewhere, you can check the speed that way, but keep it under 600. at 595, that about 2000 engine rpm. If the tractor has not been apart lately, 2000 rpm will be ok for a dyno test, but once your finished, reset the rpms back to around 575 max. it will be a little more rpm, but should not be much different that if it was back to stock. Operator should know when its enough. ChadS

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RustyFarmall

03-19-2005 08:53:28




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to 230,H,M, 03-19-2005 05:01:34  
I guess I am somewhat confused here, any dyno I have ever been around would kill an engine if you cranked it down enough. The proper procedure for using a dyno is to open the throttle on the tractor, and then start cranking the wheel on the dyno until you are reading 540 pto rpms. At that point you take a horsepower reading. The actual speed of the tractor engine is irrelevant.
You only have a problem if the observed horsepower at 540 rpm is lower than expected. Does this help? Am I totally off base?

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230,H,M

03-20-2005 13:22:33




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-19-2005 08:53:28  
The dealership technician operated the Dyno. He did open the throttle and after warm up, started the crank down. The engine speed slowed but would not come back up until he reduced the load. I do not know any actual readings.



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riverbend

03-19-2005 06:32:39




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to 230,H,M, 03-19-2005 05:01:34  
Just curious, what was it putting out ?



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230,H,M

03-20-2005 13:15:39




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to riverbend, 03-19-2005 06:32:39  
I do not really know. The Dyno was operated by the dealership technician.



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El Toro

03-19-2005 06:12:53




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to 230,H,M, 03-19-2005 05:01:34  
Have you tried opening the main jet adjusting screw CCW. Try opening this 1/2 turn or more to see if the engine will come up to 1650 rpm's loaded. This will give the engine more fuel. Hal



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230,H,M

03-20-2005 13:13:42




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to El Toro, 03-19-2005 06:12:53  
Yes I have. The needle is adjusted at least 3 turns more. Didn't seem to make a difference.



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El Toro

03-20-2005 14:02:34




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 Re: H, Engine RPM under load low in reply to 230,H,M, 03-20-2005 13:13:42  
Were any dynamometer readings taken when the engine was at 1650 rpm's? You can put enough load on the engine to overcome the governor and the engine speed will drop. They should have used the dynamometer readings to calculate the hp
at 1650 rpm's. Hal



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