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Ramon from NC

03-21-2005 06:43:34




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I am interested in purchasing a Manure Spreader for my farm and was wondering which is the better, PTO driven or wheel driven (pros and cons). I have a Farmall 100 tractor with about 21 hp. I would be using it for both horse manure and spreading lime. Thoughts out there?

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Ramon




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El Toro

03-21-2005 19:18:11




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Ramon from NC, 03-21-2005 06:43:34  
I do not think a manure spreader would be any good for spreading lime. You need to know what is is required to raise the ph level for your soil
and having a calibrated spreader apply it. There's no way to determine how much is being applied with a manure spreader. Either rent a spreader or have it applied by truck. Hal



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El Toro

03-21-2005 19:11:36




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Ramon from NC, 03-21-2005 06:43:34  
I do not think it would be a good idea to use a manure spreader for lime too. You would need the rate of application for your soil to raise the ph. I do not think you can calibrate a manure spreader for spreading lime. I would either
rent a spreader or have it applied by lime trucks.
Some of that lime is like spreading flour. Hal



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Jon Bottum

03-21-2005 17:43:10




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Ramon from NC, 03-21-2005 06:43:34  
Back when I used to work for an implement dealer, it didn't matter if it was ground driven or PTO driven, the manure spreader was one thing the implement dealer wouldn't stand behind.



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farmerjohn

03-21-2005 16:54:17




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Ramon from NC, 03-21-2005 06:43:34  
I would not recommend a manure spreader to spread lime. Line is very fine and heavy and would not unload well at all with an apron chain, plus since it is a rock product it would be abrasive and hard on chains and bearings.



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Pa. Don

03-21-2005 10:30:40




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Ramon from NC, 03-21-2005 06:43:34  
I ran young livestock years ago, and all we ever had around here were ground drive spreaders. Used and old David Bradley model till the chain got to the point it was breaking more than not. Replaced it with a New Idea 206 ground drive. Worked much better in the snow as it has taller tires on it. Pulled the 206 with an 8n, farmall C, H, and a 300. Don't run livestock anymore but I've kept it around. Wife is now into raising chickens so it gets used once or twice a year. Have even used it to spread leaves on the field in the fall. I take the lawnmower out with the grass catcher to pick up the leaves and just haul them over to it and dump them in. The mower grinds them up pretty well. Have had many offers to buy it over the years but refused to sell it. I suppose they liked the idea that I always have kept it stored inside instead of leaving it out in the weather.

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El Toro

03-21-2005 12:59:40




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Pa. Don, 03-21-2005 10:30:40  
Hi Don, Keeping that spreader sheltered is what has preserved it over the years. My dad was always harping about putting the farm machinery
in the machinery sheds. I guess that's why I only let my wheel barrow sit out. I've had to replace the wood on it several times and a new tire. Hal



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scubap58

03-21-2005 09:59:13




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Ramon from NC, 03-21-2005 06:43:34  
My first question would be do you live where it snows. If you do, an want to spread in the winter time find one with a PTO drive. I have an old model 100 spreader it is ground driven nice little spreader but it does not work in the snow. Lots of new models around. I just recently bought an older MF PTO drive spreader an cut it down to the size that works nice on the Bn. It takes some work, but it works in the snow.

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El Toro

03-21-2005 07:24:47




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Ramon from NC, 03-21-2005 06:43:34  
Hi Ramon, If you do not have very much horse
manure, I would buy a ground driven spreader. When I was on the dairy farm we had a 90 bushel
ground driven spreader for about 60 cattle. We never had a loader and 90 bushels is a lot to fork by hand. The spreaders now will haul an enormous load and probably need a pto to unload
and spread it. I'm sure others have different opinions. Hal

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Allan in NE

03-21-2005 07:57:52




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to El Toro, 03-21-2005 07:24:47  
Hi Hal,

You forked manure from 60 head by hand?

I'm not ever gonna mess with ya, cause you gotta be one mean dude. Not to mention, in a bad mood too. :>)

Allan



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Lance R.

03-21-2005 13:34:16




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Allan in NE, 03-21-2005 07:57:52  
I distroyed my Dad's loader when I was about 16 years old. I bent the frame so bad we couldn't let the loader down without hitting the 560's tin work, Dad took the loader off and made me clean the barn out by myself. The manure was three feet deep and I had to pitch it all by hand. I started at 6AM each morning and worked till 8PM for two days. The third day I finished at about noon with my 28th load. The only nice thing about the job was driving the M out with each load. After I finished cleaning out the barn my Dad bought a new loader. Very important lesson learned!!!

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El Toro

03-21-2005 08:29:25




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Allan in NE, 03-21-2005 07:57:52  
Hi Allan, I had my brother on the other fork. The worst part of this is we had to handle all that manure twice. When we cleaned the barns
the manure was dumped into a concrete pit. We usually started spreading manure in Feb. and March
if there wasn't any snow on the ground. We would
start plowing in March if the ground was dry enough.

After the farm was sold someone bought the horse
barn and had an Amish carpenter build a dwelling
over the manure pit and converted the horse barn
into a house too. That pit made a full basement.

Farming is a lot different now. I saw where a farmer in PA is milking 1000 cows and is converting that manure into electricity. I didn't see anyone forking any either. Hal

You can see why my brother and I turn down deferments for the draft. He joined the AF and I got drafted. Best thing ever happened.

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Allan in NE

03-21-2005 09:00:18




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to El Toro, 03-21-2005 08:29:25  
Hi again Hal,

I got to thinkin' after I yapped off there, that your cows were probably running in a pasture too?

We kept the milkers, the dry cows, steers and heifers in two large corrals.

I used a 6 Ton Power box and an F-10 with an 8' manure fork. Started as early in the season as I could, sometimes February, sometimes March. But it would always take me three solid weeks of hauling the "Green Wonderment" to get the lots all cleaned up again. :>)

I don't really miss milking the cows at all. :>(

Allan

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El Toro

03-21-2005 10:51:19




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Allan in NE, 03-21-2005 09:00:18  
I forgot to tell you that a lot of big dairy farms
are owned by Amish families and they had to make big changes too since they had to install milk storage tanks, coolers and had to have generators installed, since they do not use electricity in their homes. These people are excellent craftsman in building barns and they will restore
the horse buggies some people have for fairs and other occasions. Hal
They are buying up farms in MD now, there's a lot of them in PA too.

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El Toro

03-21-2005 10:37:57




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Allan in NE, 03-21-2005 09:00:18  
We kept the milking cows in the barn from Nov thru
April until the weather was warm. We cleaned the barn twice daily where the milking cows were. Once daily for the young stock and horse barn.

Cows eat and drink alot when milking and this creates a lot of manure. There's a lot of problems today with run off where manure has been applied into the streams. My late dad would turn over in grave if he knew what milk is selling for
by the gallon in the stores. My nephew said their
store is charging $4.59 per gallon. Big changes
came around here in the East and probably nationwide with the milking industry. You had quit using cans, had to put in storage tanks for the milk and go to milking parlors. A lot of farmers got out of dairy farming. We never had any exercise pens. Our neighbor had one and that trampled manure was heck to get out. He used an ensilage fork to load his spreader. He was all man an got just like leather in the summer. Hal

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Nebraska Cowman

03-21-2005 08:15:21




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Allan in NE, 03-21-2005 07:57:52  
I expect that was a long time ago. I used to load a 147 bu New Idea speader in 25 minutes. Ain't no way I could do it now.



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the tractor vet

03-21-2005 09:03:53




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-21-2005 08:15:21  
One of my custemers still forks manuar by hand and still milkes into the bucket hand carries it to the tank and they are milken 40 head no gutter cleaner just the old overhead dump bucket that runs out to the lofen shed. He is the one that farms with two S/MTA's a WD 45 and H and a 8 N ford will not come into the modren world . Three years ago was thefirst time that he was ever on a big tractor we put him on Eugen's 1066 with the 470 disc , the look on his face when he come off the clutch and pulled the throttel down was a Kodac moment.

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Hound

03-21-2005 08:08:41




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Allan in NE, 03-21-2005 07:57:52  
...Allen, you'd better start that over, Mr. Hal..
Hound



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Haas

03-21-2005 07:22:10




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 Re: Opinions on Manure spreaders in reply to Ramon from NC, 03-21-2005 06:43:34  
I would not think a manure spreader would be very good for spreading lime. Easier to just have a lime truck come and spead it. If you are going to use bulk lime, (If you are needing very much lime, bags are goint to get expensive) you'll need to have a truck deliver it anyway, and then you have to get it into the spreader. For your situation with the 100 tractor, I'd look for a smaller ground driven spreader. Most of the PTO spreaders would be too big for a 100.

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