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pit falls on rebuilding super M

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jnewark

03-24-2005 05:07:24




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I bought sleves, pistons, bearings, seals etc..will do the valve job etc.
I am almost ready to put the ole girl back together.. I have a shop manual.. any advise on things to look out for?? easier and cheeper to ask here than to have a screwed up job. Thanks in advance
jack




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Opa A

03-24-2005 09:46:55




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to jnewark, 03-24-2005 05:07:24  
I would definately plastigage the bearings, especially the mains as being an inframe you can't measure the assembled dimension of the mains with the crankshaft in. I once had a main bearing with the right part number and size (STD) stamped on the back but one shell was actually .010 undersize, crankshaft would not turn after installing the bearing, I've plastigaged every beaing since then.



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Don L C

03-24-2005 09:31:46




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to jnewark, 03-24-2005 05:07:24  
A tip I'll pass on.....installing the frozen sleves...using a short piece of oak 2x6 with a piece of metal top side....use your air hammer-chisel with the blunt tool....it will drive them right in....you must work fast...



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captaink

03-24-2005 07:40:49




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to jnewark, 03-24-2005 05:07:24  
Jnewark, it never hurts to double check everything. I bored a 350 chevy once to 0.030 over size and ordered the piston kit. Machine shop man put the pistons on the rods, I ringed them and slid them in the engine. Started it up and it had a knock in it. After much frustration and listening, I tore the right head off and found a STD piston sitting in the #4 hole. All the others were 0.030 like they should have been. Nobody caught it, and as the final assembler I took full responsibility for it. We are all human, mistakes happen.

Yup, numbers on the rods go toward the camshaft side of the engine. I would throw the sleeves in the freezer overnight rather than fight with the dry ice to shrink them for an easier fit in the block. As MagMan noted, sleeves pistons come matched, the rings might also.

I like to take my older engine blocks out and to the machine shop for a thorough cleaning. Over the years, in-frame overhauls were done because it saved a lot of time and work. Problem with the dry sleeve engines like the M, H and others is that any gunk left behind in the cooling system is not always cleaned out and hampers coolant flow causing hot areas in the head and block. It seems to me that a lot of heads crack on those older engines, I have suspected that poor water circulation may have contributed to if not caused the cracking. Maybe your block is clean as new in the cooling passages, if so great. If not…

When assembling, oil is good can’t get too much in during assembly, dirt and foreign material is bad. If the engine binds up or starts to turn hard stop and figure out why. Some resistance is normal, but if you have to start using excessive force to get it to turn, you have a problem. Probably the easiest oversight is ignition timing, not hard to be off 180 degrees and be very frustrated.

That is my 2 cents.

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John M

03-24-2005 06:03:04




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to jnewark, 03-24-2005 05:07:24  
T he only thing that comes to mind is you did get the right bearings for it right?I messed up once and did that.



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jnewark

03-24-2005 06:39:46




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to John M, 03-24-2005 06:03:04  
the ones which came out looked great, had std stamped on them, I would not have replaced the bearings, execpt I got them mixed up when removing the caps.



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MagMan

03-24-2005 05:14:25




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to jnewark, 03-24-2005 05:07:24  
Is this an inframe or out overhaul? MagMan



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jnewark

03-24-2005 05:24:22




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to MagMan, 03-24-2005 05:14:25  
tis a in frame, my crank looks exceptionally good, well within specs, cylinders and pistons didn't look bad, the reason I am doing the rebuild is I found part of the #1 piston skirt in the oil pan.



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MAGMAN

03-24-2005 06:04:44




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to jnewark, 03-24-2005 05:24:22  
Dont be afraid to rince out the motor with hot soapy water if you think theres any particles that should not be there any where. Also this is what I always do I take a piece of hose like gas line and I cut little pieces about an inch long and slide them up on the rod bolts so when your trying to get the piston in from the top they dont go down and nick a rod journel.VERY IMPORTANT or make sure you have enough soft clean rags over the crank when you do it. Put a very very light oil on the out side of the sleeves just so they basicly dont rust in and slide if you put to much its going to be to thick and you will have a hard time getting sleeves in. If you get a sleeve hung up almost in you can go to your freezer or buy a bag of ice and stick it in the cyl good and tight and wait awhile it will shrink the sleeve enough to start moving again usally.If you broke any of the bent washer things on the rod caps they cost about ten bucks a piece to replace at the dealer.I use spray gasket adheasve from Napa to spray the head gasket with its red and made by them or forma gasket .Thats about all I think of.Hope this helps and if you already knew all this SORRY alot of folks dont. MagMan

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jnewark

03-24-2005 06:34:24




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to MAGMAN, 03-24-2005 06:04:44  
thanks for the reply, I figure any refresher is good. I didn't know about covering the rod bolts,.The Ice reminded me when I was 16 I worked on putting sleves in a Massey Harris, we packed them full of dry ice, slid in like a champ. Will I need to use plastigage on the journals? do I need to check ring end gap, and side clearance? or will everything be within tolerances?
thanks in advance
jack

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MagMan

03-24-2005 07:14:54




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 Re: pit falls on rebuilding super M in reply to jnewark, 03-24-2005 06:34:24  
I have never used plaric guage my self I would like to get some and tryit but never have.If you can read the bearing caps that are in there now and get new ones that are the same maybe even carefully mike them up to make sure if the pistons and sleeves come matched in a kit I would not worry to much unless something does not seem to fit right or turn or slide good.They say to check the sleeves after they are installed for high spots also . I guess it depends on what tools you have and time for what you do when you put it back together. You know the rods only go one way and the caps stamped with the # of the cyl goes toward the cam side of the motor I beleve.One of these mechanics should be able to chime in on anything I have wrong or missed I have not done one my self in a few years getting ready to soon as the dough heaps up. LOL MagMan

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