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Loaders Are Hard on Tractors!

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Allan in NE

04-11-2005 12:21:52




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Bless his heart.

John Q. Cattleman, I mean. The guy who used to own this tractor.

I knew the front-end was knocked out of it from it's being under that front-hanger loader.

Found it odd that the shift cup/cover, front platform cover, tool box, battery trays, all the metal parts around the steering tower were gone and the batteries had been moved to the rear of the platform.

Fast forward, searching for slop in the range lever. Found it. John Q had replaced that very bottom roll pin with a length of welding rod bent 90 degrees at each end. :>(

Just wish that he would have used a bigger size rod that fit the hole. Now, she's all gotta come back off there.

Bless his heart. :>(

Allan

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John A.

04-11-2005 20:36:37




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-11-2005 12:21:52  
Allan, I agree that loaders, operators, and loader work is hard on tractor too. But that is because moat farmers cannot justify the capital outlay for a industral loader to do this kind of work. And usually if you did have that type of rig, you would be in the wrong place at the wrong time when you needed it.
So hence the oldest, most wor-out tractor got "sentenced" to loader work. The better farmers if the didn't want the industral rig then bought new or newer tractors for loader work for it is hard, crappy,shi#-work. and will take it toll after time. My 966s front end was in fair shape when I got it, but the loader work I have done has accelerated its demise.
My relatives took a new JD 4640,PS and hung a loader on it at 500 hrs in 1988. As far as i know it is still there. My 966 had never seen a loader till I put it on it in 93. But my 966 is my main tractor.
As you use her, on the shake down work you will find many little things, once these thinsd are done I'll bet she is solid. Have fun, catch ya after a while.
Later,
John A.

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Hugh MacKay

04-11-2005 14:23:35




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-11-2005 12:21:52  
Allan: I agree with you 100% on this one. The conventional farm tractor just about the poorest vehicle one ever put a loader on. For example that 966 of yours, probably 15% of the cost when new was, a lower link sencing draft controled 3 point and IPTO, hanging on there doing absolutely nothing while doing loader work.

Then the farmer public wanted 4x4 for their loader tractor, just so they could beat the crap out of the lighter front end. It still had 3 point and pto doing nothing. The new breed of farmer in the 80s and 90s pushed this fact until the best damn field work tractor we ever knew became obsolete.

If these birds want to do loader work why not buy a real loader with no pto or 3point hitch. Put the engine on the opposite end from loader, it becomes the natural counter weight. Add a shuttle transmission and you have loader machine.

It should have been a criminal offence to put a loader on a Farmall. (least 10 years)

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Allan in NE

04-11-2005 15:04:32




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-11-2005 14:23:35  
Yeah,

I guess I'm still stuck back in the old days when a 9, 10 or 14 was considered a "big" tractor.

Guys now look at 'em like a left over toys and think what a great little loader tractor they would make 'cause they have that leftover cab to keep one outta the cold.

I didn't like those front hangers when they first came out and I like 'em even less now after I've had to clean up after two of the rascals.

Loader work is usually "slam-bang" and the poor ol' tractor suffers for it. They were never made for such abuse and quite honestly, I think hired men are the culprits. Somebody that wrote the check on one of these old heifers wouldn never treat 'em this way, IMHO.

Anyway, left over repairs are comin' along pretty darned good and I think I'll almost have 'er whipped by tomorrow night. Then, I'm done with tractors and on to other things.

Like a NH851 to NH855 "chainer" baler I'd sure like to find lying asleep in the bushes somewhere. :>)

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

04-11-2005 18:24:32




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-11-2005 15:04:32  
Allan: My dad bought a new H in 1951 with loader, then switched the loader to a new 300 in 55. At that time he was doing the bulk of his field work with those tractors. Always cussed that loader hanging out front trying to do field work. In late 50s he got rid of Farmall loaders and bought a used Cockshutt with an industrial loader, didn't have pto or much of a transmission for feild work, but did have one good forward and reverse for loader work. We put a barrel of concrete on back and use it for nothing but loader work. It was a far better loader tractor than Farmalls of that era.

We then added the Farmall 560D no loader, which gave us 3 good Farmalls for field work. By 1970 the old Cockshutt was playing out, I bought a farm that had a IH 2000 loader in shed. Farmalls 656 and 504 came with that farm also. I decided to mount that 2000 loader on 560. It had been on the 504, and I thought it a bit heavy for that tractor. In 1971 I built a new free stall dairy barn for 100 milk cows and added a Case skid steer loader for use in that barn. I would use the 560 at other farm for feeding replacment heifers. The interesting part is within two years I added a second Case skid steer. Within 3 months the 2000 loader was once again packed away in shed for good.

In those days a new 40 hp skid steer was about half the cost of a 75 hp tractor with loader, and would do three times the loader work per hour. With the skid steer you didn't have a 3 point hitch and IPTO, worth 75% of the cost of a new skid steer, doing nothing. I had 2 Farmalls, never saw a loader and in 10,000 hours each, neither ever had a replacment clutch or replacment gear shift linkages. Loaders on gear drive Farmalls caused a lot of added repair bills, not as result of rough loader use, but rather just loader use. Skid loaders actually saved me money, but remember one of them had to go 365 days per year. Milk cow herd was on confined feeding, replacment heifers went to pasture, and that loader did field loading needed.

What always annoyed me being around the IH dealer's a bit, and I'm talking about 60s and 70s. Farmers wanted a new Farmall for loader work, then they growled about the transmission, should have power shift like Deere and the like. As a result, today gone is that old 8 and 4 transmission with TA, and with the torque of a Farmall engine, it was all we ever needed for field work. Did you ever stop to think how much less a new 966 or 1066 would cost in 2005 than what CaseIH is currently building? Those 06, 56, 66 and 86 series tractors were economical tractors for field work. My point is, in my neck of the woods at least, the smallest of farms had three tractors and one did nothing but loader work, so why not buy a loader tractor.

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Brent in IA

04-11-2005 14:55:34




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-11-2005 14:23:35  
Except there are those of us who can only afford a couple tractors, and not one dedicated for loader work. We had a Case 1070 that had a loader in the winter for feeding cattle then the loader came off in spring and summer, threw on the duals and front weights, and we used it for tillage, planting, and cultivating 500 acres. Then in the fall after harvest the loader went back on.... The Oliver 1550 pulled the sprayer, grain wagons, baler, and other small jobs.

Now, the neighbor down the road has a huge JD skid loader with glassed cab and a JD 6310 MFWD with loader that never comes off for feeding hay and moving manure. Then he uses his "real" tractors in the field.

I have a loader for my "H" but rarely mount it because I leave the loader on my 560 full-time. H has 3 point, works great with back blade, mower, etc.. Use the 560 to haul dirt/snow and lift big bales. Couldn"t beat that combo.

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Allan in NE

04-11-2005 16:37:12




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Brent in IA, 04-11-2005 14:55:34  
Hi Brent,

Well, I'd say almost everybody used the straight tractor for a loader. Very, very few of us could justify the outlay for a payloader which was only assigned one job on the farm.

Lots of feedlots around here did and do things that way; not many farmers.

My beef is with the front hangers; not the loaders themselves. Couldn't go thru a day without a loader. :>)

Plus, for us, after equipment got about 12' in width and above two bottoms, the old Hs and Ms just couldn't cut it anymore. So, they got the loader duty.

I saw a 560 last fall in here at the dealers. Had a F-25 on it, and I just think that is the perfect loader/tractor combination.

Allan

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PAULIH300

04-11-2005 17:13:06




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-11-2005 16:37:12  
Wouldnt that have been something....a Hough Payloader for every farm.Sure would have upped the population of those for later generations to acquire economically!
Now there's a dream team...a 300U for light duty and a Hough for the big stuff.



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Hugh MacKay again

04-11-2005 19:13:05




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to PAULIH300, 04-11-2005 17:13:06  
Paul: Got a little story for you on Hough loaders. In the early 1970s a friend of mine named Reg was on the road selling Bobcat skid steer loaders. In a city near by they had just built a new colliseum, with about a 10 acre parking lot. That new facility was the pride and joy of the city engineer. Reg was also a former college friend of the city engineer. Reg drove into town one day with 3/4 pickup, trailer and a new Bobcat demo in tow. He knew where city engineer usually had diner. Joined him, and as he had tried unsucessfully for a couple of years to sell them a Bobcat, he decided to push the issue once more. Engineer said are you going to be in town overnight. This was snow belt country. Reg indicated he would be at a local motel over night. Engineer said,"Good, meet me at the colliseum at 9am with your Bobcat."

Reg wondered that evening what his engineer friend had up his sleeve. He had 3 quick tach buckets with him for loader, one of them a 6' snow bucket. In the morning he went to colliseum. Engineer had parking lot devided in two equal halves, and said, "Now if your can clear your half as fast as the city Hough 90 does the other half, we will buy two of your Bobcats." Reg left the city that day with an order for two new Bobcats. I've seen Reg operate a Bobcat, he is one HE## of a good operator.

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Hugh MacKay

04-11-2005 18:33:08




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to PAULIH300, 04-11-2005 17:13:06  
Paul: No one has even suggested putting a Hough loader on a farm. As for your 300U, one of those 40 hp skid loaders will do 10 times the work in a given time.



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chadd

04-11-2005 12:34:17




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-11-2005 12:21:52  
Loaders aren't hard on tractors. . . some of the people who use them are.



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Allan in NE

04-11-2005 12:40:45




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to chadd, 04-11-2005 12:34:17  
Bless his heart. :>)



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RustyFarmall

04-11-2005 12:27:50




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-11-2005 12:21:52  
Totally amazing the make shift things you find sometimes. Would have been just as easy to fix it right the first time.



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Allan in NE

04-11-2005 12:33:47




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-11-2005 12:27:50  
Betcha a steak supper he was in a great big hurry to get the cattle fed, then never went back to repair it properly.

Tractor sat for 5 years so I 'spose the statute of limitations has run out. :>(

Allan



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RustyFarmall

04-11-2005 14:11:26




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to Allan in NE, 04-11-2005 12:33:47  
Look at it this way, everything you find that has been jerry-rigged is one more opportunity for you to show the old girl what a good owner is all about, and you can make her happy again.



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steveormary

04-11-2005 20:20:21




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-11-2005 14:11:26  
methinks it is the tractor that is hard on the loader. And hired men are hard on both. One of my neighbors used a hough loader around the silage pile. steveormary



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Cory R. aka M man

04-12-2005 07:50:17




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 Re: Loaders Are Hard on Tractors! in reply to steveormary, 04-11-2005 20:20:21  
We have a 145 John Deere loader on or 2630 John Deere and it was the worst thing we could have done it wears the front end out and is hard on hydrolics. but it is all we had until a year ago when we bought a 1845 case uniloader skidsteer.



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