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Gordon

04-15-2005 07:18:26




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Almost as an after thought I askd the shop to magnaflux my H head before installing new valve train. The engine was running before rebuild with just a little blue smoke. But on teardown number 4 piston was real loose, ring broken. Sure enough head was cracked in #4 combustion chamber. Located replacement head 90 miles away. Bought that took it to the shop, CRACKED in TWO combustion chambers. Called another guy who said he had two or three. Well he has had THREE returned that were cracked. So I (we) are zero for five. Have located two more and they are headed for magnaflux. Just to let you know that these old Farmall's ain't so "bulletproof" after all. gUESS THIS PUTS 5 MORE OLD h'S ON THE PART OUT LIST.

GordoSD

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Andy Martin

04-15-2005 08:37:48




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 Re: Head aches in reply to Gordon, 04-15-2005 07:18:26  
Allen in NE, please do not read this post.

If you had not had your head magnafluxed, do you think you would have experienced problems after you had installed it?

What leads you to believe surface cracks will grow and cause problems? These old tractors have a lot more meat in them than modern engines. Surface cracks in combustion chambers are quite common. When I was a kid I tore down my 1950 Chevy. It had visible crackes in every combustion chamber. I put in new rods, rings, and put it back together. It ran fine for several years, until I sold it. I'm sure the combustion chambers were still cracked.

I am a registered professional mechanical engineer with significant experience in refinery maintenance and repair. I'm giving you my professional opinion, not idle gossip.

While it is really hard to put a cracked head back on an engine, you noted the tractor was running with significant internal problems but "just a little blue smoke".

Indeed, these old tractors are just about bullet proof, cracks or not, but they do have a few warts you might have to overlook.

I believe a lot of good parts get rejected by modern inspection methods.

Even cranks with cracks can be suitable for use in an H or M if you don't hot rod it. It depends on the size of the crack, and where it is. These engines were designed for lower stresses than newer engines. The manufacturing techniques, while not crude, were not as sophisticated as those in use today, and could result in new cracked parts otherwise suitable for service.

I'm certain that a lot of new parts right out of the IH factory would not pass today's rigourous inspection techniques used to prove modern parts which will be much more highly stressed. I don't magnaflux old Farmall parts because I don't want to know. Critical parts may get a little PT but if the crack is not visible it is probably not a problem.

Of course I don't need the heads you rejected because my heads are all OK :-)

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justin w

04-15-2005 08:33:44




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 Re: Head aches in reply to Gordon, 04-15-2005 07:18:26  
i have NOS H kerosene & distillate heads available..



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Gordakota

04-16-2005 20:29:29




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 Re: Head aches in reply to justin w, 04-15-2005 08:33:44  
Justin W. Your email is hidden. Pls contact me 605-770-3840

GordoSD



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captaink

04-15-2005 08:30:51




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 Re: Head aches in reply to Gordon, 04-15-2005 07:18:26  
Gordo,

Call Sturdevant’s (Pronto) auto supply in Mitchell SD (605) 996-5585 and ask for Doug in the shop. I think he can help you out, as he has chemically cold welded heads for about 25 years now…



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captaink

04-15-2005 08:30:40




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 Re: Head aches in reply to Gordon, 04-15-2005 07:18:26  
Gordo,

Call Sturdevant’s (Pronto) auto supply in Mitchell SD (605) 996-5585 and ask for Doug in the shop. I think he can help you out, as he has chemically cold welded heads for about 25 years now…



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the tractor vet

04-15-2005 07:54:54




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 Re: Head aches in reply to Gordon, 04-15-2005 07:18:26  
Yes this is a problem and i have been thru this many times before and now days it is getting worse. We use to have this old guy that would as he called it cold weld it and then pump water glass thru it but the last i heard he is getting to old to do it and will not sell out . When ever i do a rebuild everything get magged crank block head and rods.some time the scrap pile gets bigger.



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