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Ramon from NC

04-26-2005 09:43:53

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Hey, my tractor is setting out in the middle of the field and I need your help to get me back to work. I believe the starter went out and will be taking it to the shop to get it worked on. My bigger concern is that when I took the starter off, I looked at the gears in the starter that interlock with the gears inside the tractor and the gears on the starter were stripped on the top portion but not the bottom portion. I also looked at the bigger gear inside the tractor that it interlocks with and they were worn but not quite as stripped. I'm sorry for making y'all picture this, I'll try to get pictures soon. I am afraid that even if I get the starter working again, this stripped gear issue will just get worse or maybe was even the initial cause of the problem. Also, what is the name of the gear the starter interlocks with in the tractor? Am I in big trouble? Thanks Ramon

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Hugh MacKay

04-26-2005 13:48:11

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Ramon from NC, 04-26-2005 09:43:53

Ramon: Probably all you have is starter lock. Many Farmalls have run for years after this first happened. 40-50 years ago 3/4 wrench was standard eqipment, at least from farmers point of view. Those gears will look chewed some 6 months after new, don't get excited about new ones just yet.

While you have the starter off the tractor, why not check the starter switch. That could also be your problem rather than the starter being locked. Just remove the two screws that hold switch to top of starter, be careful not to loose two plastic triangle shaped shields. The brass contacts inside that switch may be worn down from years of making contact. Some people have had good luck rebuilding them up with solder. A new switch is quite reasonable in price. Last one I bought was under $20., less than ten years ago.

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Ramon from NC

04-26-2005 14:17:38

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Thanks guys, she's out of the field in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-26-2005 13:48:11

So, a lot of running around but she is out of the field with only a little humiliation on my end. So I took off the starter and took her down to South Durham where a guy works starters. Of course he puts it on the machine and it cranks right up. So he says it must be my wiring (which I already checked, so I know it's not that). Anyway, so I head home, as the rain is about to start coming down and wanting to get it out of the field if I can (as it's in easy view of the road and knowing my luck, someone would try to cannibalize the parts after midnight), I went back to work putting it back on. Having got it back on, now the battery is near dead from all my attempts to start it. So I borrow the neighbors 4 wheel drive (just in case the fields get sloppy wet) and jumpstart the tractor...and waa-laa, it starts. Of course, the background music to this is sirens up and down my road as the State Police are trying to track down a fugitive who was fleeing from them in the forest just down the road from my farm. I checked my barn with my rifle just in case he decided to hide out with my chickens before I headed out to the tractor. Lessons Learned: 1. I did the right thing first hammering the starter but that wasn't it. As Hugh said, I believe it just locked up.
2. I should have just removed the starter bolts, pulled the starter away, then reinstalled and tried again, I think this would have done it.
3. All that being said, I am glad it went down the way it did as I do indeed intend to replace the bendix gear as well as the ring gear (and now as a result of all y'all's help, I know what they are called) when I split the tractor sometime in the future, but fortunately, not today.
4. Trust and depend on the folks on this board to come to my aid, even in an "emergency" situation. I wouldn' have gotten better advice if I called "Tractor 911". Since I didn't grow up on a farm and I don't know too many farmers or tractor lovers, if I didn't have you guys, I would probably be broke and sad and my wife would leave me for all the money I blew listening to people who wanted to replace everything with new stuff at the drop of a hat. THANKS!!!!! Ramon

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SuperCmore

04-26-2005 11:49:37

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Ramon from NC, 04-26-2005 09:43:53

Same thing happened all the time on my Super C until I replaced the bendix and new spring on the starter. New battery cables too, and I filed the ring gear best I could. Now she starts like a new one and has not "hung up" once since then..Cmore

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Bill46

04-26-2005 10:48:39

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Ramon from NC, 04-26-2005 09:43:53

Ramon...one thing the guys forgot. Those little tractors wee famous for locking the starter and the flywheel. Loosen the bolts on the starter and just put it right back on. You already have it off...just bolt it back on and try it.
You may be able to strart the tractor and at least get it out of the field.
I have a super A that does that every once in awhlie. Yes, the flywheel gear is worn...but it still works.
Have fun with it.

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RustyFarmall

04-26-2005 11:06:32

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Bill46, 04-26-2005 10:48:39

BILL46, good info. I have an H that does that about once every two years, just loosen the bolts, listen for a click or pop, and tighten it back up. You can accomplish the same thing by putting the tractor in a high gear and rocking the tractor by pushing on a rear tire, again, listen for that sound.

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Bill46

04-26-2005 11:11:46

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-26-2005 11:06:32

Never been that lucky Rusty...I always had to keep a wrench on the tractor just for those starter bolts.

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Dave_Id

04-26-2005 09:51:12

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Ramon from NC, 04-26-2005 09:43:53

You can split your tractor, remove the ring gear and turn it around, or replace with a new one, they aren't very expensive.

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Ramon from NC

04-26-2005 09:59:48

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Dave_Id, 04-26-2005 09:51:12

Dave Is that what the starter gears interlock with, the "ring gear"? What about the gears in the starter? Is this a common occurrence, or is something mis-adjusted and replacing things will just break them again unless I get something fixed? Thanks so much! Ramon

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Bendix Trophy

04-26-2005 10:37:50

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Ramon from NC, 04-26-2005 09:59:48

The part on the end of the starter with the gear is commonly called a "Bendix end" where I'm from, and yes, the ring gear is the part on the flywheel. When it's removed from the flywheel it's in the shape of a big ring, with teeth on the outside.

You'll want to get the Bendix end replaced on the starter, if the rest of the starter is okay/fixable. You may need to purchase an entire rebuilt starter.

Thing is, you never said why you think the starter is dead.

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Bob M

04-26-2005 10:31:16

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Ramon from NC, 04-26-2005 09:59:48

Ramon - What you have is a VERY common occurrence. Due to the way they work, the bendix gear (the small gear on the starter) gets slammed - while spinning - into the ring gear every time you use the starter. Over time the teeth on both the bendix and the ring gear get chipped and worn. Eventually they wear out like on yours.

You can probably get by temporarily by putting an new bendix on the starter (about $40). But since the ring gear is badly worn, the new bendix will wear rapidly. It also may tend to jam in the ring gear.

Long term solution should to replace the ring gear. You can remove and reverse the existing ring gear. However if you go to all the trouble to split the tractor to get at the rign gear, spend an extra $30 and replace it with a new one!

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Dave_Id

04-26-2005 10:03:42

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Ramon from NC, 04-26-2005 09:59:48

Yes, the ring gear on the flywheel is engaged by the starter gear. If you are getting your starter worked on, it may need to get replaced. Remember, your tractor is 50 years old, and you have to figure some wear in that amount of time, but you will need to do something with that ring gear, either flip it, or replace it with new, or you will have the same problems you had before.

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Dave_Id

04-26-2005 10:27:41

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Re: HELP: Starter is dead on Farmall 100 and more in reply to Dave_Id, 04-26-2005 10:03:42

I reread your post. If your ring gear isn't chewed up too bad, I wouldn't worry about it.

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