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which AMMETER is correct???

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farmall john

04-27-2005 04:59:31




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I have a IH 364 and I am not sure which ammeter to use. A 60-0-60 or 30-0-30 ?????

Please help

John




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captaink

04-29-2005 06:56:15




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 Re: which AMMETER is correct??? in reply to farmall john, 04-27-2005 04:59:31  
To answer your question, how many amps does your charging system put out? If you are running a 12-volt alternator, you can get them to put out more than either the 30 or 60 amp ammeter will show. Under normal circumstances, a 30 will work just fine.

As far as the Volt/Ammeter discussion goes, both are useful devices however neither alone will tell the whole story of an electrical system.

The volt meter will tell you how many volts are in the system. If the charging device is in good working order it will show around 14 volts (+ or – a bit) while the engine is running and then settle back to around 12 to 12.5 when it stops. If there is a 3 amp drain in the system, the voltage will not drop enough on a volt meter to be noticed. Likewise, if the voltage regulator is starting to get bad, the ammeter may set on 0 or up an amp or two looking normal but the charging device may be putting out less than 12 volts.

To get the complete story on a charging system you need both ammeter and voltmeter. However, the ammeter is the more common and in my opinion the more useful of the two in day to day operations.

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onefarmer

04-29-2005 13:31:35




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 Re: which AMMETER is correct??? in reply to captaink, 04-29-2005 06:56:15  
Ditto. For the real complete picture both are needed.



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Doug in OR

04-27-2005 07:31:05




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 Re: which AMMETER is correct??? in reply to farmall john, 04-27-2005 04:59:31  
I can"t speak for what your tractor came with from the factory, but 30-0-30 should be plenty. I couldn"t imagine any charging system delivering more than 30 amps to the battery. Same goes for discharging; more than 30 amps means you are having big problems somewhere.

The real deal is to install a voltmeter. I presume you are using a 12 volt system. A voltmeter should be easy and inexpensive to install.

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RealDeal?

04-27-2005 09:31:00




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 Re: which AMMETER is correct??? in reply to Doug in OR, 04-27-2005 07:31:05  
Beg to differ.

A voltmeter doesn't tell you bupkus about what the charging system is doing. An Ammeter will tell you whether the system is charging or discharging at any given moment.



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Doug in OR

04-27-2005 18:50:23




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 Re: which AMMETER is correct??? in reply to RealDeal?, 04-27-2005 09:31:00  
I assure you, if your voltmeter is reading between 13.8 and 14.5 volts, your battery will be charging or charged. No ifs, ands, or buts.

If your ammeter is reading 0 or a very slight positive charge, your battery may well be sitting there fat, dumb, and happy with a whopping 10.5 volts in it - depending on circumstances.



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n9lhm

04-28-2005 07:38:26




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 Re: which AMMETER is correct??? in reply to Doug in OR, 04-27-2005 18:50:23  
I disagree. If your battery is sulfated and won"t take a charge, your charging system will put 14 volts across it all day and it won"t charge that bad battery. An ammeter would tell you that the battery is not accepting a charge.
Also, since electricity must flow from a point of higher potential to one of lower potential, the second scenario you describe is impossible. For the charging system to charge, the charging system voltage MUST be higher than that of the battery.
I"ll take an ammeter over a voltmeter any day.

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Doug in OR

04-28-2005 17:34:46




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 Re: which AMMETER is correct??? in reply to n9lhm, 04-28-2005 07:38:26  
A faulty regulator that is producing 10.5 volts will produce my scenario exactly.

I assumed the battery was good. Even an ammeter will not detect a bad battery.

An ammeter will not tell you if the generator or alternator is overcharging. Only a voltmeter can tell.

What is the first thing Bob M tells someone to do when they ask how to troubleshoot a charging circuit? You will be directed to check the charging voltage with a voltmeter.

Nuff said.

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